The Book Club: Symposium by Plato with Spencer Klavan

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Love is an innate desire of every human being, but how do you define it and what is its purpose in relationships? Michael Knowles and Spencer Klavan take you through one of the most collective philosophical texts on love in Western literature: Plato’s The Symposium.
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Jerry Wiggins II
Jerry Wiggins II Өдрийн өмнө
Gawt dang he is so much like his dad, no relation
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 3 өдрийн өмнө
"Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested he throw out certain legal ballots during the recount of the presidential race... " Wall Street Journal...working for the people Donald Duck said???
Dimitri Korsakov
Dimitri Korsakov 4 өдрийн өмнө
These Book Club videos are great, but you need to cover some popular books. Conservatives need to cover popular culture if they're gonna spread their values
Reloads of Fun
Reloads of Fun 4 өдрийн өмнө
I don’t do cocktail parties, but I’ll give it a go at my next BBQ.
Alex Linna
Alex Linna 4 өдрийн өмнө
Great listen. Aristotle is better.
Through Human Eyes
Through Human Eyes 4 өдрийн өмнө
good way to break this text down.
javelinadad
javelinadad 4 өдрийн өмнө
Michael Knowles is friends with Spencer Klavan? I knew that I liked Michael for some reason.
Reharl
Reharl 4 өдрийн өмнө
Honestly this is a really good minimalist rundown of this book. Plato was trying to delineate between logic and instinctual norms, and discern their individual effects on individual and macrosocial interaction.
LysanderNemoinis
LysanderNemoinis 4 өдрийн өмнө
Did someone say...Alcibiades? mnpost.info/zone/gajUmtTFpqRzjJg/video
Akseli Makkonen
Akseli Makkonen 5 өдрийн өмнө
Ancient Greeks make modern philosophy look like a joke.
alg11297
alg11297 5 өдрийн өмнө
Well couldn't have found a more obscure thing to discuss. Christianity is about lack of sex. Jesus was born of a virgin, even his mother got the no sex treatment when the church came up the Immaculate Conception. Monks, nuns, and priests, the highest form of the religion were forbidden to marry or have sex. Jesus himself seems to have been celibate and of course St. Paul (Saul) urged followers to be like him and avoid sex. Most of the saints throughout history were single. But....the Greeks had a tendency to intellectually rationalize anything they liked including having sex with boys, and slavery. (Sort of like Ayn Rand given people a "logical" reason to be selfish) For your next foray into books no one reads could you do "The Guide for the Perplexed" by the Jewish sage Rambam. I'm sure a short discussion of the rationality of Judaism might be in order.
tom ster
tom ster 5 өдрийн өмнө
Re vote
Pet Wifey, Voice of Reason
Pet Wifey, Voice of Reason 5 өдрийн өмнө
A millennial in a too-tight shirt lowering himself to talk about the English translation of the Symposium... actually enjoyable. So please, will y'all review the Satyricon now? I know I keep asking, but I will not stop til you do it, so you might as well do it!
Rachel Pedeaux
Rachel Pedeaux 5 өдрийн өмнө
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this series. As a Mom, it’s so nice to listen to this analysis while I clean and cook. I never want it to end.
terry boyer
terry boyer 2 өдрийн өмнө
Rachel The cooking and cleaning or the analysis? :)
Rick
Rick 5 өдрийн өмнө
I can't wait for you to get to CS Lewis. Mere Christianity and The Abolition of Man would be great!
Rick
Rick 4 өдрийн өмнө
@Christian Björck I liked Narnia as a kid but I haven't read the Screwtape Letters yet. I'm going through the Great Divorce right now then I'm gonna move onto the space trilogy.
Christian Björck
Christian Björck 4 өдрийн өмнө
Screwtape Letters is another good one. Heck even Narnia would be cool, good children’s literature needs to be taken as serious at it truly is.
Rick
Rick 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Craig Robertson It’s an excellent book I’ve read it twice. It’s as good as Mere Christianity which is a masterpiece.
Craig Robertson
Craig Robertson 5 өдрийн өмнө
Dang! You beat me to the "Abolition of Man" recommendation!
glenn Winn
glenn Winn 5 өдрийн өмнө
It’s an interesting conversation but you keep using the term “platonic eros” when you should have been using terms like storgi, agape, and philia. As such I highly recommend that your next discussion center around “The Four Loves” by CS Lewis.
codascot
codascot 5 өдрийн өмнө
While those words are Ancient Greek words for the ancient Greeks, if it all boiled down to sex for them, why would they seek to maintain the difference between those 4 loves? Only in and through a Christian lens do we rightfully maintain the distinction between each. I thought it was appropriate for them to continue using the same word, because that word was a theme that most Greeks clung to and understood versus the other three types of loves. The distinction is something that was eroded away for the ancient Greeks due to their beliefs and their beliefs in action
J L
J L 5 өдрийн өмнө
IT is not "Spartan love", but "Theban love" as they had the Sacred Band (a military formation made form 150 pair of homosexual "lovers") which the Spartans disdained.
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Never listen to a Jewish man’s perspective, it’s never for your benefit.
Luke Salazar
Luke Salazar 5 өдрийн өмнө
Also Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself
Angela Wolfe Puente
Angela Wolfe Puente 5 өдрийн өмнө
Brilliant, i loved this❤️😍 this was better than many of my university classes
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I Support TRUTH TELLERS 5 өдрийн өмнө
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jennifer stewart
jennifer stewart 5 өдрийн өмнө
Why is his head so small?? Is it from camara angles Its ok Ill get over it my love of Micheal will get me thru
S H
S H 5 өдрийн өмнө
Lovely!
Casimir Alexander
Casimir Alexander 5 өдрийн өмнө
One would read Hamlet.
somebaldguy
somebaldguy 5 өдрийн өмнө
They did back towards the beginning of the year. mnpost.info/zone/rd6depqlrLCrmXI/video
Casimir Alexander
Casimir Alexander 5 өдрийн өмнө
Advertising for Clift Notes as “reading”... Vile.
Be Thou my Vision
Be Thou my Vision 5 өдрийн өмнө
...there is still an "i" in Thinkr...😁 Neither Plato or Freud understood true love. God is Love.
Bill From 1793
Bill From 1793 5 өдрийн өмнө
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Reharl
Reharl 4 өдрийн өмнө
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Ethan Noell
Ethan Noell 5 өдрийн өмнө
Book clubs are the best PragerU vids
Hannah Sturtz
Hannah Sturtz 5 өдрийн өмнө
Thank you for this breakdown of the book! I enjoy these book club episodes very much.
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 5 өдрийн өмнө
Trump’s inability to even posit a plausible cover story for firing Krebs sent a chilling message about just how far the losing candidate intends to fight the election results. However anticipated, the move amplifies a rolling national security crisis that has played out across the government in the days since the election...talk about George Orwell parallels ...!!
somebaldguy
somebaldguy 5 өдрийн өмнө
lol, you mean the guy literally lying about hundreds of affidavits signed by eyewitnesses, ignoring the literal THOUSANDS of votes attributed to Biden and *only* Biden by "glitches?" It's called draining the swamp - just like clearing house at the pentagon, where military advisors were *LYING* about troop numbers in Syria so Trump couldn't bring them all home? GTFO with your military industrial complex warmonger pandering.
Mark
Mark 5 өдрийн өмнө
Spencer pronounces several words quite differently than I'm used to, such as 'prescient'. I had to do a double take listen a few times.
Fausto Levantesi
Fausto Levantesi 5 өдрийн өмнө
Ok, so I guess next read must be "The 120 Days of Sodom" by Sade?
L. Garcia
L. Garcia 5 өдрийн өмнө
It’s the Zeus complex. What didn’t the God’s have sex with? I think men like Bill Clinton and JFK are examples of Zeus Complex. Men and women are both promiscuous. Even-the poor man boast about having 100 sex partners. I know of 1.
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 5 өдрийн өмнө
Krebs fired?? Are you kidding me??Now whose the fascist ,1984 Orwell's big brother society, big tech fraud, when you get rid of a guy telling the truth..funny that you blame marxist/comunist/socialist for something actually Donald Duck is doing right now..
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder 5 өдрийн өмнө
I, Iris Gonzalez-Caulder personally don't think like this 22:17-36 of men friends or woman friends or men and women friends only an unhealthy heart and mind thinks like that of friendships I don't only like my genderless friends I love them regardless of their lack of in heart 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 Live 217 and Let Die Cary and Iris 11-16 you ain't God the Spirit of truth and justice
Mikey Westside
Mikey Westside 5 өдрийн өмнө
I feel a little cheated that we didn't get a teaser. Don't tell me I missed the "Premiering in 4 days from now" thing too.
nnix
nnix 5 өдрийн өмнө
This interview with young Beetlejuice is ok
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder 5 өдрийн өмнө
Klavan 👍" beauty isn't specific to one person other people also have beauty "
SubFlow22
SubFlow22 5 өдрийн өмнө
Lost me at gay
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder 5 өдрийн өмнө
I think when Knowles said " yeah " 6:30-31 he meant he's listening and doesn't tune out people
brownman304
brownman304 5 өдрийн өмнө
You won’t win the culture with philosophy
HerpaDerp
HerpaDerp 5 өдрийн өмнө
Wrong. Philosophy departments were the first conquests by the left for a good reason.
John Rosas
John Rosas 5 өдрийн өмнө
Well, the Left did it with Domination. They took machiavellian stratagem to instill socialist agendas. The socialist agenda requires the disarming of the masses, the redoctrination therein, and then take over the institutions. That is, Hollywood is the disarming of the masses culturally. Followed by the the takeover of American Education. After that they took offices and administrations; DOJ, CIA, Congress, etc
Bob Bobhouse
Bob Bobhouse 5 өдрийн өмнө
why is prageru promoting the original commie? burn platos books
Reharl
Reharl 4 өдрийн өмнө
@Bob Bobhouse Damn. You got me.
Bob Bobhouse
Bob Bobhouse 4 өдрийн өмнө
@Reharl youre one step away from realizing the guy who suggested we burn books about communism on a prager video is maybe joking and didnt vote democrat
Reharl
Reharl 4 өдрийн өмнө
Calm down Karen. The best bulwark against communism is widespread understanding of what it is. Communism can only rise amongst ignorance of its nature. Hiding and censoring ideas is a leftist proclivity.
Bob Bobhouse
Bob Bobhouse 5 өдрийн өмнө
@joseph stearman he has no good ideas and im perfect so.....
Bob Bobhouse
Bob Bobhouse 5 өдрийн өмнө
@HerpaDerp read his republic and its almost a parody of communism
Boats And Hoes
Boats And Hoes 5 өдрийн өмнө
Spencer Klavan (No relation)
Jesemio Ramirez
Jesemio Ramirez 5 өдрийн өмнө
Love is not love? Awesome
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder 5 өдрийн өмнө
Jesemio Ramirez 1 Corinthians 13:1-13
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder 5 өдрийн өмнө
Jesemio Ramirez 1 Corinthians 13:1-13
Dylan Gregg
Dylan Gregg 5 өдрийн өмнө
Comment!!!
Robert Johnson
Robert Johnson 5 өдрийн өмнө
There are some e’s in Spencer
Rebecca Hill
Rebecca Hill 5 өдрийн өмнө
😅
izai martinez
izai martinez 5 өдрийн өмнө
Good talk.
Jonathan Jerden
Jonathan Jerden 5 өдрийн өмнө
Excellent. Thank you.
Caleb Carr
Caleb Carr 5 өдрийн өмнө
Spencer Klavan no relation!
Jay
Jay 5 өдрийн өмнө
Watching Knowles's face when Spence says "beautiful young boy" ... sympathy discomfort intensifies.
Виталий Строганов
Виталий Строганов 5 өдрийн өмнө
0:23 luckydating4u.online
curtissimpson
curtissimpson 5 өдрийн өмнө
Went to school with Spencer growing up and he is an incredibly gifted and awesome man.
dante bozzini
dante bozzini 5 өдрийн өмнө
Can confirm, was in our schools production of Pippin with him and it was a great time. Spencer is a great dude.
Steph AB
Steph AB 5 өдрийн өмнө
Nice!
Christian boy 420
Christian boy 420 5 өдрийн өмнө
I love Spencer Klavan, No relation
Grand Master Yu
Grand Master Yu 5 өдрийн өмнө
Where my fellow future high school dropouts at? 🙍🏻‍♂️
Usman Shaukat
Usman Shaukat 5 өдрийн өмнө
Prager U talking about the nuances of homoeroticism 🤩
Fausto Levantesi
Fausto Levantesi 5 өдрийн өмнө
Yes, the left has definitely won this election...
Aaron Berta
Aaron Berta 5 өдрийн өмнө
This is so helpful
ThomasPaine3
ThomasPaine3 5 өдрийн өмнө
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David Adrian
David Adrian 5 өдрийн өмнө
The American People Stand with President Trump 100% ✊🇺🇸
L. Garcia
L. Garcia 4 өдрийн өмнө
@somebaldguy I Am not acting... you are very uninformed. I cite 60 Minutes and you dismiss it... you have a link to a very liberal news outlet and that has your approval. You don’t know most vaccines take 5 years to go through testings. No vaccines are 95% effective or safe. Vaccines pharmaceutical companies are zero liability. You are failing big time to see truths.
somebaldguy
somebaldguy 4 өдрийн өмнө
@L. GarciaIt's pretty funny you have the audacity to act like _I'm_ somehow uninformed. This is being widely reported on. www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine.html
L. Garcia
L. Garcia 5 өдрийн өмнө
@somebaldguy So you don’t know much. How has a corona vaccines earned 95% effective ratings when it’s has only been developed in 5 months and is still in trial phase???
somebaldguy
somebaldguy 5 өдрийн өмнө
@L. Garcia What about it? It resulted in a vaccine that's 95% effective. if it was so horrendous, why is Joe-Pedo already trying to take credit for it? Get that smooth brained shit out of here, you and all your alt accounts.
L. Garcia
L. Garcia 5 өдрийн өмнө
@somebaldguy What do you know about trump’s Warp Speed Operation? You are the one who’s head in in the sand and up trump’s as$)
DDubya
DDubya 5 өдрийн өмнө
Sex is not love
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder
Iris Gonzalez-Caulder 5 өдрийн өмнө
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
Kool Brizzz
Kool Brizzz 5 өдрийн өмнө
🎯
David Chorak
David Chorak 5 өдрийн өмнө
This better be a good interpretation, energetic, and with lots of enthusiasm. Great interpreters have covered ‘Symposium’ before.
John Webber
John Webber 5 өдрийн өмнө
The Symposium by Plato audiobook: mnpost.info/zone/nbi5bceYnNqUfqg/video
K M
K M 6 өдрийн өмнө
Maybe you should discuss Mein Kampf, and not the book about Love.
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 6 өдрийн өмнө
A family operates as a form of socialism. From each of us come goods and services according to our abilities. To each of us, those goods and services are provided according to need. One or both parents go to work and provide the wherewithal to keep house. The children do not do outside work yet eat well every day. Everybody shares the domestic chores the best they can, everyone pitches in, does their bit. Parents bring home food and share it out equally. They strive to make sure each child is given his or her equal share of clothing, gifts for their birthdays and Christmas. Family members look after one another, taking care of each other when sick, and caring for frail elderly grandparents. The system works. Families also help out other families by simply being good neighbours. When we invite friends over, we share the meal, offering the guest first pick, the most generous portions, the choicest cuts and we don’t charge prices for it. Nor do we ration our advice and wisdom according to who can afford it. At work, throughout the day, we work cooperatively with our co-workers. We give of ourselves, our knowledge, sharing our skills, without asking for money in return, expecting nothing more than a ‘thank you’. So why don't we apply these rules to society at large
Ordinary Person
Ordinary Person 2 өдрийн өмнө
Trust.
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 4 өдрийн өмнө
@Reharl ..even on a remote island you need laws...keeping up the fire,hunting or fishing , water supply, shelter etc etc..
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 4 өдрийн өмнө
@Reharl ..thnx.
Reharl
Reharl 4 өдрийн өмнө
Nice copypasta though bruh. Probably the thirtieth time I've seen it.
Reharl
Reharl 4 өдрийн өмнө
A completely low-resolution conflation. If two people surviving on a remote island don't need laws, why do we need societal legal systems at all? See how stupid that sounds? That's how you sound. It's a fallacy of both scope and composition.
Robert Crowder
Robert Crowder 6 өдрийн өмнө
Dr. Patrick Michael Byrne needed to be interviewed by you now
Stefan-Rares Crisan
Stefan-Rares Crisan 6 өдрийн өмнө
I love Prager U videos, especially these specials with Michael and his guests! Will you in a future episode discuss Paradise Lost or Faust by Goethe also? Btw, all love from Romania!
Juanito G
Juanito G 6 өдрийн өмнө
Plato would be rolling in his grave. You are the antithesis of the morality espoused by plato
Mattxiety RIP
Mattxiety RIP 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Juanito G You're the numb nuts, because the category of children who cannot be reunited with their parents fall into two categories: 1) Their parents, when contacted, refuse to take them back, either at the time or after their deportations, because they want the children to remain in the US, even if it means 'without them')...or 2) The "adults" who brought them over the border illegally, weren't actually their "parents" at all, but instead were criminals/human traffickers who had either purchased or stolen them to use as props in order to appear as a "family" when caught, and nobody "lost their details", but the details that were given by the criminals who pretended to be their parents was fake. And this will be my last entry, because I don't do 'back and forth" with liars...I just say my peace and then bid them farewell.
Juanito G
Juanito G 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Mattxiety RIP those cages werent not used to seperate children from their mothers and fudge it up so much there are now hundreds if not thousands of children who cannot be reunited because theyve lost all the details Numb nuts x
Mattxiety RIP
Mattxiety RIP 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Juanito G When your whole argument begins with a lie, you've already lost it. Those "cages" (and the separation policy that went with them) were built by Obama. Those pictures that the left plastered everywhere and presented as "Trump's children in cages", were taken in 2014 (which, for the cheap seats, was during the OBAMA administration, not Trump's). You people lie with such ease and phony self righteousness that, if it weren't so evil, it could possibly be admired as a great talent.
Juanito G
Juanito G 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Alex S they support a man who puts separates children from their mothers and puts them in cages for one. As plato put it "if you injure a horse does it become better or worse at those things which healthy horses do? Worse ofcourse. And the same is true of a dog or human. If you injure a human then you make it less able to do the things that healthy humans do. Correct? And morality is a virtue of mankind. So by injuring a person it follows that you make them less able to be moral. Correct. And can immorality be bread from moral actions? No. And so it can never be moral to injure another person" Platos retort to "theyre taking our jobs" would be something along the lines of "if theyre more competition for work then that means you must become better skilled which means immigrants are helping you to improve and you should be thanking them". Put it this way...plato would rather let in all immigrants and screw himself out of a job a food than to injure any emotionally by doing what trump and you lot want Youve never read plato have you 😂😂
Alex S
Alex S 5 өдрийн өмнө
In what way is he the antithesis of Plato's morality?
Mr.D
Mr.D 6 өдрийн өмнө
Premiering this far out really sucks
Rat King
Rat King 6 өдрийн өмнө
PragerU seat sniffers in da house! Mr.PragerU give me a good long conservative fart in your chair so I can sniff it up in the marketplace of ideas WOOWOOWOO!!! AMERICA 🇺🇸
Pawel
Pawel 6 өдрийн өмнө
Spence is very smart like his father
Simon Josefsson
Simon Josefsson 4 өдрийн өмнө
@JP 59 It's a running gag that they aren't related and only share the same surname. Don't know who started it or why, but I've seen it several times on their respective twitter feeds.
JP 59
JP 59 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Caddy Donstans ?
Luke Salazar
Luke Salazar 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Caddy Donstans lolyes
Caddy Donstans
Caddy Donstans 5 өдрийн өмнө
No relation
Scott Bissett
Scott Bissett 6 өдрийн өмнө
Plato, Aristotle, Socrates........Morons !
Constellation
Constellation 6 өдрийн өмнө
@Scott Bissett ooooooh yeah the inconceivable guy
Pinhead Larry
Pinhead Larry 6 өдрийн өмнө
Lol this turned into a nice troll, good on you fine chap!
Merijn
Merijn 6 өдрийн өмнө
@Scott Bissett ohh haha sorry. Did not know that
Scott Bissett
Scott Bissett 6 өдрийн өмнө
@Merijn it’s a quote from The Princess Bride.
Scott Bissett
Scott Bissett 6 өдрийн өмнө
@Constellation The Princess Bride
Caleb Z
Caleb Z 6 өдрийн өмнө
Plato. Plato? *Plato?!*
SHARK VADER
SHARK VADER 6 өдрийн өмнө
PU!!!!!!!
Corbin Skywalker
Corbin Skywalker 6 өдрийн өмнө
WHAT
JoniukasVader
JoniukasVader 6 өдрийн өмнө
PRAGERU!!!
Pinhead Larry
Pinhead Larry 6 өдрийн өмнө
Really... out of all the pieces of literature you could do with Spencer, this is the one you do... lame
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