Fireside Chat Ep. 156 - When Childish Worldviews Take Over

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14 өдрийн өмнө

An outstanding conversation with Douglas Murray: How the left became so radical-the lack of debate, "anti-racism" training, corporate wokeness, critical race theory, and infantile thinking. Plus, some excellent advice for those afraid to speak their minds. Enjoy!
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0:00 Welcome Douglas Murray
1:41 Where does his courage come from?
5:43 Understanding the value of the left
8:22 Understanding true evil
14:20 When Dennis lived in England
15:56 The Intellectual Left: Where did they come from?
18:15 The lack of debate on the left
19:38 The left’s absurdity: Writing
21:35 The left’s absurdity: Music
24:36 The left’s absurdity: Corporate Wokeness
30:10 Not a real gay?
32:45 Speak out and risk your grade or career?
37:28 Creating racial tension that doesn’t exist
38:50 How the right should respond
41:00 To Have Happiness: Gratitude is key
45:12 To Have Happiness: Understanding true suffering
46:43 How to break down Critical Race Theory
51:07 Always ask: Compared to what?
52:22 Chaos in God-shaped holes
57:50 Thank you for joining this special episode

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Luke
Luke 19 минутын өмнө
haha, I keep looking at the dog the odd time and he's in a different position every time
AshPooh1319
AshPooh1319 32 минутын өмнө
Learned about 4 minutes and 33 seconds in humanities class. Everyone around me tried to ponder the depth of such an artistic piece and what it meant. I said aloud "this is stupid". I've hated post modernism ever since. Now I see this is exactly what politics has become.
Simon Lawrence
Simon Lawrence Цагийн өмнө
Douglas Murray: "You can't read mumbo jumbo for very long". Thomas Pynchon: "Hold my beer".
Idiot Incogneto
Idiot Incogneto 2 цагийн өмнө
Almost everyone agrees our leaders are substandard, we notice most when we are asked to vote and use the lessor of tactic. So why are we also persuaded the solution is to give them even more power when it is quite clear the less we allow them MUST be better.
spridle
spridle 3 цагийн өмнө
I literally never knew Douglas is gay. Like, I'm in disbelief. Not that it matters but I had no clue.
James
James 3 цагийн өмнө
Cometh the hour cometh the Murray
Jens Nielsen
Jens Nielsen 3 цагийн өмнө
Wow the dog inbetween is a blessing, I love this beast !
Tuhala Jogi
Tuhala Jogi 4 цагийн өмнө
Good chat - problem is that conversation is now being criminalised. And people ARE being fired, viified, etc. Plus big tech is shutting conversations down. www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf-holyrood-latest-nicola-sturgeon
Jack Hack
Jack Hack 4 цагийн өмнө
"Compared to what?" He stole that from Thomas Sowell.
Liberty&Nonintervention
Liberty&Nonintervention 5 цагийн өмнө
His first book was: "In defence of Necons". It that why you've got him on?
Gerald Ashton
Gerald Ashton 5 цагийн өмнө
Four shillings and two and a half pennies I think? Enjoying this talk. It’s like a haven from all that is “going on”
Carole Anne Rogers
Carole Anne Rogers 6 цагийн өмнө
"You can't read mumbo-jumbo for very long"...as anyone who has tried reading William S. Burroughs 'mature' work will confirm. Like John Cage & Andy Warhol, including Tracey Emin & Jeff Coons - all these faux intellectuals are the great piss-takers of our age.
Ari Tuhkanen
Ari Tuhkanen 6 цагийн өмнө
Hah hah, "childish worldviews", agrees a man (Prager) who believes in bronze age fairy tales! ; )
Marc Thomas
Marc Thomas 9 цагийн өмнө
Exactly Solzhenitsyn advice to ordinary people who want to make a difference, don’t accept lies in your own life and society around you
opps
opps 12 цагийн өмнө
I can see why the U.N want to ban wood and coal fires in homes.
CitizenClem
CitizenClem 14 цагийн өмнө
8:33-: "spelled 'Amerika' with a K, as if we're a fascist country - do you not know what fascism is?" evidently they don't know anything about fascism, ignoring the most basic facts, if they would presume to insinuate a fascist characteristic by the letter K - why, real Fascists would always spell "America", as the letter K is alien to the Italian language; though K has been used occasionally in referring to Italian communists: there's "the K factor", spelling "Kommunist" with a K (as in Russian), thereby alluding to the Italian Communist Party's ties to the Soviet Union.
StereoSpace
StereoSpace 20 цагийн өмнө
Excellent. Thank you.
JHL JHL
JHL JHL 22 цагийн өмнө
I've read "The Strange Death of Europe." A must read.
BØRGE ODK
BØRGE ODK 23 цагийн өмнө
One of the best things I've ever heard anyone say, was from Mr. Murray not long ago, sounding kinda like: "The bird that is mad at the wind, for stopping it from flying as fast, as it could have, doesn't realize, that it is the same thing, that makes able to fly at all"..
Mike Morgan
Mike Morgan Өдрийн өмнө
The problem as I see it is that nobody really took on Noam Chomsky. They let him continue his long winded convoluted explanations about leftism and Marxism and never had the intellectual stamina to call him out on his errors. He's the only intellectual giant the left really has and the college and university professors follow him like Christ
Omnes Omnibus
Omnes Omnibus Өдрийн өмнө
44:00 Douglas Murray makes the point that young people have all the music in the world at their fingertips for free. This goes with the idea that you cannot appreciate anything that you did not have to work and suffer for even a little bit. Appreciation of something is directly proportional to how much you had to sacrifice in order to get it.
Omnes Omnibus
Omnes Omnibus Өдрийн өмнө
I was wondering what the groaning was, and I thought it was in the room. Then I realized it was the dog snoring. Haha.
Honest John
Honest John Өдрийн өмнө
Douglas is not just a tour de force, he’s a real dapper gentleman.
Daz Eng
Daz Eng Өдрийн өмнө
33 min in. I can hear that dog snoring 😂. Thought it was my dog for a moment.
Rolo
Rolo Өдрийн өмнө
Thank you for this chat, it is a gem! Mr. Murray is a living tribute to Sir Roger Scruton, a very thoughtful and articulate man with the courage to speak out. In this young man conservatism has a brilliant voice for years to come. God bless and protect both of you. Cheers!
Sunset Dawn
Sunset Dawn Өдрийн өмнө
Thank god commonsense and neutrality exists still 😉
Connie Wallace
Connie Wallace Өдрийн өмнө
Amen!!
Adam Hansen
Adam Hansen Өдрийн өмнө
" I wanna thank god for giving everybody so much and me so little" - Silky Johnston's acceptance speech at the player haters ball
Adam Hansen
Adam Hansen Өдрийн өмнө
That silent majority will never speak up. Yeats nailed when he said " The best lack all conviction and the worst are filled with a passionate intensity"
Adam Hansen
Adam Hansen Өдрийн өмнө
Telling the truth is always courageous.
Adam Hansen
Adam Hansen Өдрийн өмнө
Hitchens gave him a great review. A good review from Hitch is better than any prize.
Tim Bucks
Tim Bucks Өдрийн өмнө
Short cuts for getting over this, for improving: 1-science is the real problem. It created a modern world of comfort. This leads to ingratitude and delusions on reality. Education should focus on getting people in the real world more: gardening, making things, trips to the wilderness, manual labor. 2-Trump should tell young people "We have a new Peace Corps. You get free college, but the catch is you have to do a certain amount of volunteering. Red State young people will volunteer in Blue States and vice versa.
Roger Alsop
Roger Alsop Өдрийн өмнө
Didn't know he was published at 18.
Nothing But The TRUTH
Nothing But The TRUTH Өдрийн өмнө
Had to look at the comments from the left after learning the topic. 😂
T B
T B 2 өдрийн өмнө
Douglas Murray is a treasure to the world, truth, logic and freedom.
Rusty Bucket
Rusty Bucket 2 өдрийн өмнө
I really love the fireside chats, just don't always have the time to watch them all. But this time I made it a point to watch two great minds come together. There is still hope for us yet, no doubt in my mind about that.
Harry Fingus
Harry Fingus 2 өдрийн өмнө
Privileged viewed from the past--oppressed viewed from the future. The perspectives are opposed yet not mutually exclusive.
Harry Fingus
Harry Fingus 2 өдрийн өмнө
"Oh mah gahd yer so whize" You know it drunk me. Best enrich humanity by leaving my inebriated insight attached to a conversation that never dares to criticize its audience or hurt book sales. This conservative flavor is also sour: "How can people buy into leftist propaganda?" while using the exact same closed loop propaganda... Ah well. Two sides of the same retarded, whip-people-into-an-ideological-frenzy-to-sell-garbage, coin. (Side note: I would go gay for Douglas Murray)
Anthony L Mcewen Mcewen
Anthony L Mcewen Mcewen 2 өдрийн өмнө
Happiness (typo)
Pam M
Pam M 2 өдрийн өмнө
Schools in America are abysmal
Scott Paine
Scott Paine 2 өдрийн өмнө
The fact that western civilization allows criticism by its own citizens proves their is no problematic facistim in the system?
John Davis
John Davis 2 өдрийн өмнө
Wait a tick. I thought Mr. Prager didn't associate with gay folk. You mean the left has lied to me again?
riding the tiger
riding the tiger 2 өдрийн өмнө
16:00 oh god the irony of a jew asking this question.
drperiwinkle
drperiwinkle 2 өдрийн өмнө
Although not a man of faith, Murray might well be the new Chesterton. The Left, the cultural Marxists, the deconstructionists, view everything through the lens of their jaundiced eye. Murray pulls them up short. He has that essential thing for a writer, what Hemingway called an "inbuilt crap detector." Long may he continue.
Sean Ay
Sean Ay 2 өдрийн өмнө
Oh I never heard of this guy I mean seriously this guy should be teaching at our public schools not the f****** morons we have there right now
Jacira Sant'Anna
Jacira Sant'Anna 2 өдрийн өмнө
From France I observed starting 40 years ago, the « hand made » désintégration of institutions and the confusion of society. The construction of EU further collaborated deconstructing of people’s identity, loss of values and the a fabrication of the alienated new generations, hiding or even ashamed of their history, traditions and beliefs. Everyone ready to swallow or bargain all they knew for what EU, not elected élite, Socialists and Bankers decided for them. The vacuum was taken by immigrants not interested in integrating and forcing their way of life on depressed, guilty, unhappy Cultural Marxists. The élite décide for all things they will never apply in their own lives.
FindleyOcean
FindleyOcean 2 өдрийн өмнө
Hey Dennis, gluttony is a sin bro.
Boudicca
Boudicca 3 өдрийн өмнө
Not four pounds and tuppence ha'penny: it would have been four shillings and tuppence ha'penny! This from an old English girl!
Esther Lev
Esther Lev 3 өдрийн өмнө
Two of my most favourite people.
Rafael Bassoli
Rafael Bassoli 3 өдрийн өмнө
Excellent! Great interview, congratulations!
troytreeguy
troytreeguy 3 өдрийн өмнө
In a week most Americans may agree we no longer wish to export the ideas of the left to anyone or ourselves.
Frog in a Pot
Frog in a Pot 3 өдрийн өмнө
So true! We could be all working our hardest in a productive, positive society of personal responsibility being primary, pushing for a second Space Race this time with China. Instead we are at best hobbling ourselves in the pending Cold War against the growing threat of China, at worst entering a Real American Civil War rather than the attempted Cessation War of 1860s
Zach Comstock
Zach Comstock 3 өдрийн өмнө
Our politicians are extremely unimpressive.. especially on the left, they’ve never done anything in the private sector but think they can successfully run everyone’s lives. It’s remarkable that anyone would think Biden would be good for the country. It’s hard for ppl to admit when they are wrong and most Dems know deep down that they are wrong on almost every issue but they double down rather than change their fascist ways.
Ramman Stein
Ramman Stein 3 өдрийн өмнө
When my eldest son was in his final year of school (in 2017) he had completed many past exam papers (for his sociology test - which, mind you, was merely a filler subject) and managed to score over 90% for all he completed. He sat the exam and didn’t complain that it was difficult or that he had a problem with any of the questions... we went on his way. We received the result a while later to learn that he had passed by 1 percentage point?!!!! Upon asking him what happened, he told us he decided to answer the questions honestly instead of the rote responses he was expected to pen. Upon learning of this I saluted him for his honesty, I would rather he be true to himself than true to popular Marxist ideas!!! I realized the examiner could not fail him, but made sure he scored the lowest pass result possible...
Retrovintagething70
Retrovintagething70 3 өдрийн өмнө
Wtf NO MASKS!! Joke lol
B J
B J 3 өдрийн өмнө
Excellent conversation with a superb mind. Bravo!
Steve Wexler
Steve Wexler 3 өдрийн өмнө
From start to finish, fascinating! My mind has ripened since watching this.
IamtheFleecer
IamtheFleecer 3 өдрийн өмнө
I keep putting this link on all of these types of discussions. This societal deconstruction hasn't happened in isolation, it's being fomented by someone. mnpost.info/zone/jp-6rc6rrbuCiXY/video
P Neron
P Neron 3 өдрийн өмнө
Reading his book "The Strange Death of Europe" was a turning-point in my life.
Maepa E
Maepa E 3 өдрийн өмнө
Great discussion. Great men. Dog hilariously snoring is sweet.
Blue Douche Mark
Blue Douche Mark 3 өдрийн өмнө
Women are children, and the majority of voters. You had your chance America. You f*cked up!
phoenixhoneybee
phoenixhoneybee 3 өдрийн өмнө
I grew up multi racial female on welfare with a single mom and 8 siblings, this country provided us with housing, food, clothes, medical care and education. In my twenties I joined a government funded trade school, we were provided with housing, food, education and an opportunity to succeed. My father was not in the picture yet the usa stepped in and provided not just for my family but countless families across the country. I am deeply grateful to have been born in the USA. I just watched a portion of a documentary on impoverished children in Pakistan it's so heartbreaking I couldn't even finish it; they collect garbage, are raped and beaten and are hungry. I am beyond grateful that the USA has laws in place to care for it's people, to care for children, impoverished people, disabled people, the elderly etc. Watching individuals destroy this country because they deem it as evil disturbs me because they are absolutely clueless about the privilege we've all been born into. I understand that I won the birth lottery and was born in the USA. I will not turn my back on this country which has provided myself, my siblings and others the opportunity to thrive. ❤
John Lammi
John Lammi 3 өдрийн өмнө
Rautavaara gave up on atonal music and reincorporated tonality
Pat Nor
Pat Nor 3 өдрийн өмнө
Spraking of ignorance, islam has killed far more people than communism. Just look up muslim history in India...
Thought Review Podcast
Thought Review Podcast 3 өдрийн өмнө
Good point about many people thinking the US (for all its faults and merits) is the natural state of things, Douglas Murray. I think no matter your political leaning, you SHOULD appreciate that that's not the case.
whatsanenigma
whatsanenigma 3 өдрийн өмнө
Maybe we're doing this work today so our grandchildren will be able to discuss what King Lear did wrong.
Damo Revo
Damo Revo 3 өдрийн өмнө
Brilliant discussion. More of these in future please.
Marc Zero
Marc Zero 4 өдрийн өмнө
Your Dog's melted, mate.
Denny j
Denny j 4 өдрийн өмнө
Love Douglas he is a wealth of knowledge, pretty fit too lol. But yer he stands for all i believe in and insire to in life. :)
John Lammi
John Lammi 4 өдрийн өмнө
Fascism is not the same as bigotry. See THE BIG LIE by d'Souza
John Lammi
John Lammi 4 өдрийн өмнө
President Franklin D. Roosevelt was recognized as a fascist by Mussolini
Liam Silver
Liam Silver 4 өдрийн өмнө
It’s not just young folks today who have access to a swath of the worlds collected ideas in the form of music & literature on instant download. It is also my peers. That is, people in their 40s with a degree or two, who think they’re pretty much good for life. It’s wildly absurd to me as i view life as a continual process of learning with the best lesson saved for the end.
Harry Flashman
Harry Flashman 4 өдрийн өмнө
listening to this on earphones. Wondering what the hell that snoring sound was. A dog! how sweet.
Marcelo Ferranti
Marcelo Ferranti 4 өдрийн өмнө
Huge Douglas fan here. Amazing Fireside chat! Be grateful rather than resentful
ketsan
ketsan 4 өдрийн өмнө
The dog snoring is cracking me up!
Wes Columbus
Wes Columbus 4 өдрийн өмнө
Oops... are you two forgetting the well-lived lives of independent thinkers?
jamesacooke32
jamesacooke32 4 өдрийн өмнө
Douglas Murray is a legend. If it wasn’t for his politics and today’s culture of conservative = scum he’d be a national treasure. On a side note; the dog snoring 😂
jamesacooke32
jamesacooke32 4 өдрийн өмнө
Douglas Murray is a legend. If it wasn’t for his politics and today’s culture of conservative = scum he’d be a national treasure. On a side note; the dog snoring 😂
Carl Smith
Carl Smith 4 өдрийн өмнө
One Lesson that I learned at a very young age(Thanks Dad!) was the Three Mortal Sins-Never LIE, CHEAT, or STEAL! That included theft of someone else's Integrity. Easy to print, difficult to execute.
Hamish Mctavish
Hamish Mctavish 4 өдрийн өмнө
We have a man child running Canada into the ground
Václav Červinka
Václav Červinka 4 өдрийн өмнө
Shhh, don't tell Denis that Douglas is gay, otherwise he will shove him right into the fire
AntPDC
AntPDC 4 өдрийн өмнө
I do wish that Dennis Prager had the good manners not randomly to talk over his guests. Otherwise, this was great.
Ann Ellison
Ann Ellison 4 өдрийн өмнө
I have been saying that all this chaos in the last decade especially the last few years is because this group of malcontents are desperately trying to create a passion or a purpose in their lives because they are too mentally lazy to earn and create their own happiness. Resentment is a terrible substitute for Godliness and gratitude. This was a wonderful “chat.” I am curious about love earned and grown children who have are buying into the garbage from their universities, media, and peers, etc. I am being censored by my children when I express my total disagreement with leftist views, critical race theory, dumbing down, recognition of evil motives..I am basically told topics are off limits or else. I am really leaning to the “or else”side.
regalsmartie11
regalsmartie11 4 өдрийн өмнө
"They dont know what evil is." True to the core.
于洛
于洛 4 өдрийн өмнө
4 shillings I would think...4 pounds was a lot of money
Free Speech Advocate
Free Speech Advocate 4 өдрийн өмнө
My bank has gay flags all over the place, I complained to head office and said how many flags will they put up I,e black lives matter etc. They answered they are progressive and just gave 1 million dollars to the BLM movement.
Stephen Whitton
Stephen Whitton 4 өдрийн өмнө
The problem today is people are so privileged they have the time to find a way to feel victimised and leftist sanctioned victimology is a way to the more privilege they believe they are owed. Others are just artificially elevating themselves by pretending to be virtuous and self-flagellating while trying to prostrate others before their new religion.
Free Speech Advocate
Free Speech Advocate 4 өдрийн өмнө
I love Douglas Murray
Rodrigo de Piérola
Rodrigo de Piérola 4 өдрийн өмнө
"It's the cheapest thing they can do because all the real prices they would pay would cost them." "the ceapest thign they could get away with to cover themselves in pretend glory" what powerful phrases.
Dion
Dion 4 өдрийн өмнө
Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance. A mass movement offers them unlimited opportunities for both. - Eric Hoffer, The True Believer
Gunther Kruger
Gunther Kruger 4 өдрийн өмнө
I did the same thing in Gravesend circa 1969. English money was indecipherable to North Americans.
noah eye
noah eye 4 өдрийн өмнө
I really liked this talk. I've always liked Douglas and I've read his books. Having listened to many interviews with douglas he certainly seemed a bit standoffish to the extreme bias of the Prager (old white guy) talking about race as if he could sympathize. Idk. The right and left need to iron their shit out. The right is most definitely racist, and prejudice in general and the left has just lost their minds with extremist activism. I believe Douglas is pragmatic where Prager is tribalistic.
Bill Davis
Bill Davis 5 өдрийн өмнө
I came to see Douglas Murray, because I admire his stance on BLM and leftest extremists. I didn't realize how old Dennis Prager had gotten. He seems a bit out of it, like Will Farrell doing Harry Caray. He knows Murray is Gay, but doesn't know that he's an atheist. And Murray, so dismissive of lying, is perhaps not giving his full honest answer about religion, out of politeness, I suppose. I wonder whether if Murray and Prager would fully agree on what they mean when they say "the Left." A quick Google shows me that Prager has pronounced Donald Trump "a great president." Well, that tells me all I need to know. Trump is a great litmus test on whether a moralizing conservative is morally bankrupt.
Michael Chater
Michael Chater 5 өдрийн өмнө
The only thing I don’t like about Dennis Pragur is that he is incredibly patriotic for the USA (British gentleman btw)
Hugh Jones
Hugh Jones 5 өдрийн өмнө
43:00 That's a good riddle, Dennis. I came up with riddle, myself. It goes like this: When is a feminist not a feminist? Answer: When it comes to Islam.
Hugh Jones
Hugh Jones 5 өдрийн өмнө
38:20 Sounds like a trial with no defence.
Hugh Jones
Hugh Jones 5 өдрийн өмнө
31:45 Liberals: "If you don't vote for us, you ain't gay". Sounds familiar from somewhere!
Hugh Jones
Hugh Jones 5 өдрийн өмнө
"And Sainsbury's proclaimed 'WE DON'T WANT RACISTS TO SHOP IN OUR SUPERMARKETS'... as if the UK is covered in racist shoppers everywhere". If the UK was full of racist shoppers, then Sainsbury's WOULD want them to shop because it would go out of business otherwise. So... clearly the UK isn't racist but Sainsbury's love to POSTURE and 'take a stand' - when it costs them nothing to do so. The very definition of woke virtue signalling.
Hugh Jones
Hugh Jones 5 өдрийн өмнө
26:20 Go to the bank to do bank stuff. Bank: "LOVE HAPPENS HERE". Woah... Woah there. Steady on. I just wanted an overdraft.
Hugh Jones
Hugh Jones 5 өдрийн өмнө
26:00 YES!!! IT'S A CHEAPER WAY TO VIRTUE SIGNAL. Pay their third world sweatshop labourers a better wage? Too expensive! BUT ENFORCE POLITICALLY CORRECT LANGUAGE? THAT COSTS THEM NOTHING.
Simon Marshall
Simon Marshall 5 өдрийн өмнө
Agree with everything, except for religion! I didn't think such a great mind as Doug Murray would believe in the supernatural! Very odd, I've never heard Doug ever mention his relationship with religion, reading his books he must have been brainwashed from birth because everything else he says is based on logic and fact,,,not delusions.
dragontoro
dragontoro 5 өдрийн өмнө
What a joy. Thank you, gentlemen.
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