They Say Scandinavia But They Mean Venezuela

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What do Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez want America to look like? They say they want America to emulate Scandinavian countries like Denmark and Sweden. But do their proposed policies reflect that? Or do they point down a darker path? Debbie D’Souza, a native Venezuelan and political commentator, investigates.
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Venezuela-where I was born and still have family-bad.
Soviet Union-bad.
China under Mao-bad.
Sweden, Denmark, Norway-good.
This is the socialist report card as it currently stands.
Never mind that Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union, Mao’s China were once good. Once they go bad, they stay bad and are quickly forgotten, lost down the memory hole.
But those Nordic paradises? They never let you down.
Whenever Bernie, the “Squad”, and the growing horde of Democratic Socialists ever get cornered, there’s always “like Denmark” to come to the rescue.
“No, no, we don’t want anything like what’s going on in Venezuela. Denmark is what we have in mind.”
Except they don’t.
And it’s time we all figured this out.
Before it’s too late.
Here’s what you need know about Scandinavian countries:
They are capitalist in wealth creation and socialist in wealth distribution.
They have low corporate taxes, around 20 percent, no higher than in America.
Unlike America, neither Norway nor Sweden nor Denmark has a government-set minimum wage.
Most make it very easy to start a new business.
Most have private healthcare and education options.
Yes, the Nordic countries have an expansive welfare state, but everyone pays into the system-rich, middle class and poor.
Nobody escapes the tax man: because nobody escapes the 25% value added tax. This sales tax, a tax on what you buy is regressive, meaning it falls much more heavily percentage-of-income-wise on the poor and middle class than it does on the rich.
This concept is a complete non-starter for American socialists who want only “the rich” to pay more, even though America’s tax system is already steeply progressive: “The rich,” the top 10 percent, pay about 70% of all income taxes. But for the socialist it never seems to be enough.
So, if the American Left has rejected the Scandinavian model, which model is it embracing?
Well, where do the leading figures on the American Left, from Sean Penn to Michael Moore and Bill Ayers go when they want to praise socialism? Here’s a hint: When was the last time you saw Bernie in Copenhagen?
First it was the Soviet Union. Then it was Cuba. Then it was Venezuela.
Venezuelan socialism, like current American socialism, is based on sowing social division. The Left in Venezuela divided the country not merely between the rich and the poor, but white and black or brown-between Europeans, Africans, and indigenous people. Hugo Chavez made much of his black and Indian roots. Venezuelan socialists were bringing down statues of Columbus long before American leftists did.
Once you establish the villain class, taking away their wealth is not hard to do. Whatever Chavez and now his successor Nicolas Maduro wanted, they took-or, if you care about moral clarity, they stole-always, like the French and Russian Revolutions, in the name of “equality.”
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3 20 цагийн өмнө
Also, the Nordic Countries are SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES, not democratic socialist countries. There are differences. And YES, it is capitalist
steven monson
steven monson 4 өдрийн өмнө
How true and scary B.L.M. Marxist guise for division when all lives matter then that is called into question , next leftist lie for the children if not aborted by them is gun grabbing .
Denis Poirier
Denis Poirier 4 өдрийн өмнө
Great présentation Debbie ! Hope people get it .
Anakin Skywalker
Anakin Skywalker 5 өдрийн өмнө
I believe you could call the system in Scandinavia euro-social capitalism Also why is it that socialized healthcare is so bad when Denmark is the happiest country in the world, Norway has the highest quality of life and Finland has the most stable and secure government in the world as well as the best school in the world..??
R K 6 өдрийн өмнө
Socialism is only myth...equality is only in theory. As long as there is human greed, there is no perfect equality.
Brutus Buckeye Gaming Official
Brutus Buckeye Gaming Official 6 өдрийн өмнө
Norway Is NOT Socialist, Its a Constitutional Monarchy
MrKennyBones 8 өдрийн өмнө
This seems like a straw man. Bernie is a social democrat. Even though he has called himself a democratic socialist. He never seems to elaborate on that when he’s asked about it. He says “look at my proposals instead of the label”. This video does little to show Bernie’s actual policy proposals. It only shows how socialism is bad. And Bernie isn’t a socialist, so it’s a straw man. Also, the explanation of social democracy in Scandinavia isn’t quite right. Sure there are private healthcare options, but nobody needs to use those, if they don’t have the money.
ArchierounD 12 өдрийн өмнө
The whole Prageru content is a textbook definition of *citation needed*
Ashley Holman
Ashley Holman 12 өдрийн өмнө
So many young people today are self-proclaimed communists. They are either delusional or malicious (or often both).
Nisha Patel
Nisha Patel 13 өдрийн өмнө
Ironic how Finland, Sweden and Denmark are ruled by a social Democratic Party right now. Iceland is classified as a socialist country, not even social democracy, just socialism. Also, Venezuela has a variant of Marxism Leninism. Tell the truth for once.
BluDeuce 14 өдрийн өмнө
The Only thing Bernie and those Democrats Socialist ideas would do is cause starvation, Poverty, and lire the fuse for a Anti Socialist revolution
Karl Johan Felsager Jakobsen
Karl Johan Felsager Jakobsen 16 өдрийн өмнө
Yes, that's exactly right. When the left says Medicare for all, free college, and a progressive tax system (Which is the main policy of the left) they just mean to turn it into Venezuela. It's not like the Scandinavian model is defined by Government-run healthcare, free college and university, and a progressive tax system (And yes the Scandinavian model does have a progressive tax system if you look at income taxes. Something they left out for some reason). Except it is. Those 3 policies are the backbone of their welfare system I am from Denmark myself. The left ain't about turning the US into Venezuela. They just aren't. They have never advocated for anything dictatorial like Venezuela. Only the welfare parts of socialism which helps everybody exept the super-rich. This Is just pure propaganda. Btw here is a video disproving the fact that they say the US has a progressive tax system:
Laura Naomi
Laura Naomi 19 өдрийн өмнө
If we have public healthcare like the rest of the developed world we will turn in to VOOVOOZUELA -conservatives
Angel Venegas
Angel Venegas 19 өдрийн өмнө
the brain washing on this channel
Storytelling by Noblesse
Storytelling by Noblesse 20 өдрийн өмнө
Storytelling by Noblesse
Storytelling by Noblesse 9 өдрийн өмнө
@Sara Hansen please share and subscribe, thanks :)
Sara Hansen
Sara Hansen 9 өдрийн өмнө
Jan Zwam
Jan Zwam 23 өдрийн өмнө
No, YOU are reflecting on Venezuela. What Bernie wants is social democracy, not "socialism". Also, socialism is about workers owning the means of production in which they work - this was a view even advocated by the Republicans under Abraham Lincoln, but they somehow forgot all about that. Venezuela is not socialist. And socialism is not the same as social democracy.
Kasanada 23 өдрийн өмнө
wHaT aVoUt vEnEzuELa?
Leo Barros
Leo Barros 24 өдрийн өмнө
Talking from Brazil, we almost followed all steps of Venezuela, almost... but I think It won't stop, the leftists always have the beautiful lies that lot of people believe
Jonas Stenbacka
Jonas Stenbacka 26 өдрийн өмнө
Oh, here we go again with the Republicans badmouthing the Nordic countries again. Everyone knows that criticism of this kind is out of pure jealousy.
diana dorflinger
diana dorflinger 26 өдрийн өмнө
The same happened to eastern European countries 😕
Victor Chiappetta
Victor Chiappetta 28 өдрийн өмнө
I came to these conclusions on my own, years ago without any video. I presented a "Flaming Progressive" with these facts. Amazingly, she didn't argue. She just said- true, but people are paid a living wage. Ok, so the kid who works part time at the convenience store makes 45lk a year. Sounds reasonable.
Casper L
Casper L 28 өдрийн өмнө
There's is no socialist countries in the north get it trough your thick skulls
NickTheGreatAndPowerful 29 өдрийн өмнө
Ah, yes, the old "Socialism is when the government does things, but when those things are proven to work well, it's actually NOT Socialism, but capitalism" argument.
Beau RJF
Beau RJF Сарын өмнө
Oh shit it's Kamala Harris's logical twin.
Ace Alexander
Ace Alexander Сарын өмнө
Thank you, PragerU.
Tevž Črnič
Tevž Črnič Сарын өмнө
When we say we want Scandinavia we mean it.
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
In one video they say that the left hates cuba but in another they say that we love it. She also says the we don't have a government set minimum wage but completely disregards the power or workers unions that enforce a minimum wage, unlike america who exploits workers with a minimum wage that is so low you can live of it. Furthermore she completely lie about the taxes and say that they're the same for everyone when in reality they change depending on your income. For the poor, the taxes are lower than in the US and for the rich, the taxes are higher than the US... not to mention how this entire video is a strawman that can be shortened to "we say that they like this and this is bad because we say so".
sefp Сарын өмнө
Yet when people say they want to implement Scandinavian style social policies the right says “nooo that’s socialism.” When you say capitalism you mean slavery days, Wild West, Mexico private for profit drug cartels outgunning and murdering the government. The 10 poorest countries are capitalist.
Sanusie Barrie
Sanusie Barrie Сарын өмнө
Stop lying
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
It's verry funny how almost everything she says is either a strawman, or a lie.
Liberal Socialist
Liberal Socialist Сарын өмнө
Do people know this is a propagandist channel funded by oil and gas billionaires?
The Left Side of Liberty 2.0
The Left Side of Liberty 2.0 Сарын өмнө
brett Сарын өмнө
so they want a secular nation but we are a melting pot firt of all
K Сарын өмнө
socialism never works but even the left wing of the democrats are not socialists at all
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
socialism is such a right wing concept because it needs an oppressive government to work.. even then it wont work because we, the left will do what we do the best, fight against oppression for the freedom of everyone.
Eva B.
Eva B. Сарын өмнө
As an American, I prefer Scandinavia and Americans can only wish to live the way Nordic countries live. Viva la Norge
ventisette. Сарын өмнө
Americans will never understand the difference between social democracy and socialism 🤦‍♂️
Oskar Nymand
Oskar Nymand Сарын өмнө
Umm this video is pretty misleading Denmark does have a minimum wage Most danes dont have private insurance im upper Middle class and dont know a single person having it And when was Russia a good place or any of the other countryes you mentioned? The usa has a much larger gdp Per capita than any of the scandinavian countryes it could be a paradiset for everybody but stupidity Like this keeps misleading the people
Oskar Nymand
Oskar Nymand 28 өдрийн өмнө
@Kena-Chan facts
Kena-Chan 29 өдрийн өмнө
@Oskar Nymand let's be real, pragerU agent out to educate people. They exist to make an enemy using strawmen and false information. They're is nothing that unites people more than a common enemy
Oskar Nymand
Oskar Nymand 29 өдрийн өмнө
@Kena-Chan true and when making a video Thats meant to be ediucational (at least on the sturface) you should say that
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
@Vento #### America does have a minimum wage... such a shame it's so low that people are forced to work more than one job to even stay alive.
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
with the minimum wage, I belive she is talking about us, sweden. We don't have one but we also give our workers unions enough power where you can't get paid too little. It's a complicated ordeal and I'm not gonna explain it all.
Isaiah Reitan
Isaiah Reitan Сарын өмнө
0:21 Lol when tf are you referring to when you say the Soviet Union or China were once good, at least by western standards? Both governments have always been shit and ranged from nearly as bad to worse before said revolutions in both countries. I mean, there's a reason said revolutions happened to begin with. I'd argue that relative to other nations in a certain time period you can pick points in history where they were good but these countries were never good by modern western standards and acting as if they were some paradise until "radical leftism" took over is ridiculous. 0:59 Ya, okay...and that's what most progressives want, which is why people often cite scandavian countries as an example. 1:04 There isn't a single state in the US which is even at half that. The closest is pensylvannia at 9.99% but the majority is below 7% (and that's before deductions are taken into account) So ya, Denmark's 20% tax is a *little* higher than it is in the US What's the Corporate Tax Rate? Federal & State Rates ( 1:13 First off, Denmark does have a minimum wage of $44,250 or $18 an hour, I have no idea where they got the information that Denmark doesn't have a minimum wage. Norway doesn't have a national minimum wage because it falls within a national scale negotiated between employee, employeer, and government. In practice, there's no national minimum wage in the country but you do still have to pay your employees a minimum wage. In Sweden, like Denmark, there's no hard number because it's negotiated but it generally has to fall between 60-70% of the national average. Sources (won't let me link but copy-pasting the line into google should bring up the article right away): Denmark Minimum Wage - World Minimum Wage Rates 2020 ( Norway Minimum Wage - World Minimum Wage Rates 2020 ( Sweden Minimum Wage > ( 1:21 And democratic-socialists aren't against private healthvare or education, they just argue that there needs to be high quality public options 1:54 Democratic-Socialists are totally fine with being taxed more if it's going toward things the general population actually supports. The argument is just that the ultra-wealthy aren't being taxed enough and that their hoarding of wealth costs the rest of Americans. 2:01 You mean the 10% who own 70% of the wealth make up 70% of the taxes? Ya...that's fine. (Also it's technically between 69-70% but close enough) Source: The richest 10% of households now represent 70% of all U.S. wealth - MarketWatch 2:10's embracing the Scandanavian model. You haven't listed a single thing that the Left doesn't support which Scandinavia does. 3:05 Good. The ultra-rich are parasites 3:20 PragerU seriously insinuating that the French Revolution was a bad thing. 4:34 You mean at Socialism's worst it's literally just the same thing as Capitalism?
John Kerry
John Kerry Сарын өмнө
“Without selling stuff, how much spare money do you have?”
John Kerry
John Kerry Сарын өмнө
health insurance with subsidies, under $200?
Shawn Drazner
Shawn Drazner Сарын өмнө
Comment for the algorithm
Vento ####
Vento #### Сарын өмнө
Bryan B.
Bryan B. Сарын өмнө
Very easy way to clear up this Scandinavia is socialist argument with morons. You: what makes Scandinavia countries socialist? Them: whatever misinformed answer they give such as college is free, or everyone has healthcare, or the public housing is free (all of which I have no idea actually exist in Sandinavia, yet they have been told that such things do). You: But that isn't the defining feature of socialism. What you are describing is an expanded welfare state. Every modern developed country including the U.S. has one. As a matter of fact throughout history most advance civilization had a welfare state of some type. Hell even socialist Germany had under Hitler, same with Fascist Italy and Spain. Is that what you are talking about? Them: well no... You: Well if an expanded welfare state, also called social welfare is not the defining feature what is? Them: well, I was just saying.... You: The defining feature of socialism is that the government seizes the means of production and there is little to no private business. This works hand in hand with seizing nearly everyone's social economic status which means that it is damn near impossible for anyone to move up a class. This forms a caste system of the Elites, otherwise called the 1% and very small middle class which usually is picked by the government, and everyone else is at the bottom. Where in free markets things are not perfect and there are people who do live on the bottom, yet many people who start on the bottom move up through individual choices unless really, really bad luck hits them and they can't figure a way out from under the weight of it. Them: Well at least those on the bottom will get things like free healthcare and college from the government. You: Unlike in socialist or socialized welfare systems, systems like the American system, which admittedly can be made better in variety of ways, gives out based on individual need. For example not everyone needs a college education, and how is it fair that a hair dresser or a construction worker pay for a lawyer's or a stock broker's college education? In addition how is it fair that someone who is middle class has to now pay more for private healthcare in order to have free healthcare for everyone when one, we already have tax payer funded healthcare assistance programs, and two like what is currently happening under Obamacare many middle class families have to give up their good healthcare for poor healthcare because socializing medicine pushes the middle class down into a poor government system that is only concerned with cutting costs because it doesn't generate profit. So instead of using profits for better research, medical devices and to lure better doctors, the healthcare system has to constantly operate in a "how not to go bankrupt" mind frame. Also do you think the elites will receive the same health care or use their power, influence and money to get the best healthcare they can? Them: They will get the best healthcare the can. You: So why take that away from the middle class who make up half of the country so 75% of the country can now have crappy health care, while 25% of the country can have good healthcare? Maybe instead of looking into systems that constantly fail, we should first look at all the reasons why college is so expensive, health care is so expensive, rent is so expensive, etc. and see what can be done to both lower costs for all or at least those who need it (without raising cost for others), and maintain quality for everyone?
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc Сарын өмнө
Let's be honest, middlemen and profiteers are what make healthcare and education so obscenely expensive in the United States. Such problems are non-existent or greatly diminished under the publicly funded systems many European countries have in place and have kept running for decades at this point. A grand majority of these countries do not compromise on quality either, as according to research their healthcare and education systems are on par with those of the United States.
Greg Wise
Greg Wise Сарын өмнө
Bernie Sanders is a big fat liar and needs to get put in jail. The same goes for all those socialist politicians.
Vento ####
Vento #### 28 өдрийн өмнө
@Tuuc le Tuuc Finland is a highly homogeneous country with historically little immigration and also with a good education system where people are actually educated. My country it's the opposite of that plus a ton of government corruption. In your context it works, in mine the only thing that makes sense it's to reduce government.
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc Сарын өмнө
@Vento #### Here in Finland, rich people tend to use Finnish private healthcare providers (but even then the state tends to pay part of the cost!) and some ultra-rich people may go abroad, including to the United States, for experimental or elective treatment. But the quality of the public healthcare system is reflected in both Finns' satisfaction (88% according to a study from 2000, compared to an EU average of 71%) as well as many healthcare indicators where Finland performs well. Functional public healthcare systems are possible.
Vento ####
Vento #### Сарын өмнө
@Axioo My country has "socialized healthcare" Here when someone needs a difficult surgery some people do public collects so they can go to the US and get the operation there. The reason why the US has such advanced medicine is because many factors, but not medicare or obamacare.
Axioo Сарын өмнө
while trump enjoys himself the socialized healthcare when he got covid 19? oh the irony
H Lanton
H Lanton Сарын өмнө
The true reason why Scandinavians deny being socialistic is because they have not been told so, and their information sorses have been very much controlled by the establishment. What happens when they deny being socialistic is simply Cognitive Dissonance.
H Lanton
H Lanton 5 өдрийн өмнө
@Tuuc le Tuuc I suggest you hear the video again?
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc Сарын өмнө
In the Press Freedom Index calculated by Reporters Without Borders, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Sweden are literally the top four countries. Iceland is 15th, the United States is 45th. But I guess that's all part of the international socialist conspiracy to hide the fact that some of the most successful countries in the world are socialist. Makes perfect sense.
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
god could you be more of a conpirasy theorist.
Ryan Macdonald
Ryan Macdonald Сарын өмнө
Having the far left or the far right in control never turns out well so the best thing for a country is to have a balance between left and right ideas to keep both sides in check.
not likely
not likely Сарын өмнө exactly is the USA different from Venezuela? They both have elites that rob the state to enrich themselves While the poor starve and die of disease They both need massive para-military groups to keep order in the streets They both have no future...when the inequality reaches some trigger point...they will the French and Russians before them And Bill Gates and Elon Musk's heads will end up on pikes in front of their burt-out mansions If we found a member of the Venezuelan oligarchy to do a video? How would it be any different than this one?
Castaway Сарын өмнө
Los Angeles Latinas for Trump, The Republic a d The Constitution Under Which It Stands. 🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Sara Hansen
Sara Hansen 9 өдрийн өмнө
This aged badly
Christiaan Stephan
Christiaan Stephan Сарын өмнө
Ah yes, because people asking the government to tax billionaires and make healthcare more accessible/less expensive is going to turn us into a famished wasteland.
Vento ####
Vento #### Сарын өмнө
It will, if you're talking about Bernie's universal healthcare plan that would require rising taxes not only for the rich, but also for the poor, on top of adding a top of public debt.
Marcy Nouta
Marcy Nouta Сарын өмнө
There is a bit of a manipulation here. Only regressive VAT is mentioned when discussing Scandinavian taxes (you also have a similar tax in the US, it's just much smaller even in states with the highest rate), but all tax contributions are taken into account when discussing American taxes (although overall it is true that low earners in the US pay less taxes than their Scandinavian counterparts). The thing is that AFTER having paid off those taxes they still have more money in their pockets than low earning Americans (and they don't have to worry about medical costs, education etc). Also, having access to private healthcare and education is not the same as having to use it. Both of those are ofc present in every capitalist country. The options are there, but hardly anyone uses them. Low earners are generally much better off there, while high earners are better off in America, due to much higher differences in earnings between the rich and the poor in the US (I'm not talking about large business owners but professionals like doctors and lawyers etc. They earn much less in Scandinavia, while cashiers etc. earn much more).
E.J. Сарын өмнө
The RIGHT called all taxation...labor unions...banning child labor...workplace safety codes...a 40 hour work week...a minimum security, Medicare and Medicaid "socialist" FOR 150 YEARS. And yes they called it "socialist" when SCANDANAVIA built social safety nets. They now realize they outdid themselves. Because people LIKE these things they are BACKPEDDLING and calling it what they once called "socialist" CAPITALIST. Do they think we all have long-term memory loss? THEY called it "socialist". I am a "socialist"!
Ragnar Fiske
Ragnar Fiske Сарын өмнө
good message, bad execution, there are some arguments that are presented as "facts" in the video, but in reality is debatable.
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
the real message is "left bad, america good" but presented via strawen and lies
Mathues Egger
Mathues Egger Сарын өмнө
The left, or as I should say, the enemies of humanity, are slowly returning to their countries where they had been expelled and who have returned to power thanks to the "useful idiots", first in Argentina, then in Chile that is going through anti-Catholic revolution that was caused by the communists of the corrupt Bachelet government and now in Bolivia, because the communist socialists and the left want state intervention in the world, in society, in the economy, in everything. Our world is still under the threat of the red left (of the red sect) and it wants to make the world socialist countries and make them a new communist Venezuela or countries like China where freedom does not exist, where you are watched with a chip in your hands. back to be fined if you crossed the street line. Communism, like the State's interventionist politicians at all, fascists, Nazis, socialists all over the world, all on the left through evidence and facts with many studies, are the enemies of humanity and of God. It happened in July 1917, in the third apparition of Our Lady of Fatima that warned the three little shepherds about the danger of the communist threat that was emerging in Russia and that if the requests of Our Lady of Fatima were not granted, humanity asking forgiveness for your sins, convert, another worse war would happen and Russia would spread its errors throughout the world, promoting wars and persecution of the Church, the good would be martyred, the Holy Father would suffer and several nations would be annihilated. It is necessary for the Catholic Church to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in "union with all the bishops of the world". Although the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima took place almost a hundred years ago, Our Lady's call to prayer and penance for the salvation of souls and peace in the world is as relevant now as when it was handed over to three Portuguese peasant children in 1917. At the height of the First World War, Our Lady warned of another world conflict, the emergence and spread of communism and a terrible persecution of the Church, the unless people repented of their sins and returned to God. She also asked for devotion to her Immaculate Heart and a special consecration from Russia. Read the Fatima books sold on Amazon below: ▪ ▪ ▪ ▪ ▪ ▪ ▪ ▪
Whocares Сарын өмнө
Holy moly this is happening here in the us
Lorenzo Lozzi Gallo
Lorenzo Lozzi Gallo Сарын өмнө
Sweden doesn’t guarantee such an elementary right as secrecy of vote 🙂 these social-democracies aren’t the paradises they are considered to be.
Vento ####
Vento #### 28 өдрийн өмнө
​@Tuuc le Tuuc Social Democratic has held majority for a century it might not be single party in the purest form like in China, but in practical terms of what (one) party has (the) power it's close, it's even worse than the two party system in the US, but honestly I like more the *real* multiparty representation that we have in my country, it still has many flaws but at least there's times where the opposition actually hold the majority of power to carry their vision. Also the Swedish people are either left-wing or silent because they fear being labeled as racist/sexist/xenophobic/fascist/bigoted/homophobic or anything akin since that alone with or without reason can end their career. A real democracy requires people being able to freely express their opinions, not just casting votes every 4 years.
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc 28 өдрийн өмнө
@Vento #### To be blunt, I find your argument completely absurd. The parties have differing opinions on whether various types of taxes should be raised or lowered, whether immigration should be increased or restricted, whether they're pro- or anti-EU, whether they want to retain or abolish the monarchy, whether gay couples should have the right to adopt or artificially inseminate... The list goes on and on. If you don't think these count as significant ideological differences I really have no idea what to say. And as I pointed out in my previous message, the parties in power - often but not always the Social Democrats - have been selected by the people in elections that are considered, despite some flaws, to be among the most democratic and fair in the world.
Vento ####
Vento #### 28 өдрийн өмнө
@Tuuc le Tuuc Sweden has for years been governed mostly by one party, plus the other parties that "opposition" are ideologically not very different. The only real opposition ideologically is very small and has little power. This is why I say Sweden is a single-party system.
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc Сарын өмнө
Here's an article on the topic of secrecy in Swedish elections: I think a notable quote from the article is the final paragraph: "Overall, however, the 14-page report stated that Swedish legislation provides a solid basis for "genuine democratic elections" and that the majority of the mission’s observers consider the system "open and transparent"." Supporting that statement is the fact that the Swedish election system still ranked 4th on a 2019 report by Harvard University's Electoral Integrity Project: Want to guess what three countries beat Sweden? Here's a tip: The only Nordic social democracy to rank lower than Sweden was Iceland in 5th place. And naturally, the freest country in the world and the vanguard of global democracy ranked 57th. ​@Vento #### Would you mind letting me know what exactly makes Sweden a single-party system? They currently have a minority government of two parties supported by the confidence and supply agreements of three other parties (one of which is in fact part of the opposition but has agreed to support the government in matters of supply, as in budget), leaving another three parties and two independent candidates in the opposition.
Kena-Chan Сарын өмнө
Honestly, I'm too lazy to fact check what you said so lets just say that it's true... at least Sweden has a functioning election system where your vote matters and isn't based on what state you're in... ALSO, it's vitually impossible for a living cheeto to take control spread hatred violence and misinformation all while committing theft, fraud, treason and mutiny, all in, what? 4 years? The Swedish political system isn't nearly as corrupt as the US. you're new president is a perfect example, that paedophile bought his way into the white house and now you're stuck with him for the next 4 years.
Newbuild Muse
Newbuild Muse Сарын өмнө
Anyone find it interesting how the far left brainwashes people into thinking Scandinavia is literally every single definition of that word, Scandinavia is not socialists. Its a welfare state. Its a capitalist state where the state uses high taxes on citizens, low taxes on corporation, and high trust between civilians (like how some people can't get fired) to maintain a very extensive welfare state. The workers do not even control the means of production. Do they just do that to dupe them?
Tim Boet
Tim Boet Сарын өмнө
The nordic countries may not have government minimum wage, but are so strongly unionized tht unions set the minimum wage for all workers in the industry. A simple Google search shows this. But America is so anti unionization we need a federal minimum wage that is livable. Those Scandinavian countries have minimum wages just not by the government but by the unions they have for almost any industry. So saying the have no minimum wage is straight lying as the workers through unions make the minimum wage.
Gypsy Bard
Gypsy Bard Сарын өмнө
Wait did she just list a bunch of things happening in 'bad Veneuzuela' that already happen in the US under the current and former governments?
Gypsy Bard
Gypsy Bard Сарын өмнө
@Usuário Sarcástico I mean historically inaccurate, that happened on the frontier, but thats not a fair comparison. I'm sure however you could find modern examples in big natural disaster situations and probably not less extreme situations.
Minnie Mouse
Minnie Mouse Сарын өмнө
In Norway, everything is so expansive. I once found out that a big house in Norway that's average looking cost the same as Kim K's old LA mansion. In general it is a very left and liberal country and the bias shows in education and the news.
MaskinistN Сарын өмнө
"there are no Antifa in scandinavia" lmao we've had antifa here for ages
MaskinistN Сарын өмнө
@clone high jfk Not sure if you're joking or not. In case you aren't, no. Antifa isn't just anti-fascism. Its a transnational anarcho communism network originating from the militant wing of the German communist party of the 30s.
clone high jfk
clone high jfk Сарын өмнө
isnt antifa literally just anti facism-
wallonie pineapple man
wallonie pineapple man Сарын өмнө
Why'd they display Faroe Islands as a country in the thumbnail lol I guess you just have a lack of flags to make it look cooler
wallonie pineapple man
wallonie pineapple man Сарын өмнө
Didn't notice the Aland flag either lol
Milan Harris
Milan Harris Сарын өмнө
Sooo why don't we do things more like the Scandinavian countries? I don't really understand her reasoning. Yes Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, etc are no bueno. But if I say I want to do things like the Nordic countries that's exactly what I mean, not "I want to live under socialism".
Milan Harris
Milan Harris Сарын өмнө
@Cod4 Wii Thanks friend. As a Social Democrat myself, this all I knew. I was hoping to engage one of the "target audience" if you will. This video, like most of PragerU videos, misses the point. It really doesn't say anything at all. It just serves as propaganda, muddying the waters with straw man arguments.
Cod4 Wii
Cod4 Wii Сарын өмнө
Because America is making the word "socialism" a bad word. Meanwhile, healthcare costs is through the roof, student loan debt is a joke, and minimum wage has been stagnant for decades, all while rich people are getting richer. Thanks to Reaganomics AKA trickle-down economics, the rich corporations and corrupt politicians are getting bailouts, tax cuts, and a lot of support from the government and it's supposed to "trickle down" the wealth for everyone. Sorry, president Reagan, it did NOT work, all the rich people keep all the wealth and the poor and middle class do all the work and get paid peanuts. Nordic countries such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc....have free universal healthcare, free college, higher wages, paid sick leave, paid maternal and paternal leave, more than a month of paid mandatory vacation, I mean the list goes on...Also, it's not just Nordic countries, many countries all over the world have free universal healthcare. It's funny when the government helps rich people it's called capitalism, but when the government helps poor people it's called "socialism".
benjamin Reaney
benjamin Reaney Сарын өмнө
Venezuela isn't a good example, they failed due to a dependence on oil not socialism. If they had a more varied economy like the USA, Denmark or Norway they'd be fine
Long Horn
Long Horn Сарын өмнө
Colectivos aka. AntiFa 💥🔥🔥🔥🤯
HS Zhou
HS Zhou Сарын өмнө
I dont care if its socialist or not, we should take focus on the Nordic model. Both liberals and conservatives need to stop calling it socialist.
Neonajarin Сарын өмнө
Does bring Copenhagen to America mean prostitution will soon be legal in all states?
midnitepostman Сарын өмнө
Did t congress go on recess while 50 mil americans struggle to put food on the table? Don't we have bread lines in america? Am I missing something!?
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc Сарын өмнө
​@roxarecool Let me copy and paste literally the first couple of paragraphs of text in that article: "Food Security Status of U.S. Households in 2019 Food secure-These households had access, at all times, to enough food for an active, healthy life for all household members. - 89.5 percent (116.0 million) of U.S. households were food secure throughout 2019. - Up from 88.9 percent in 2018. [chart on food insecurity] Food insecure-At times during the year, these households were uncertain of having, or unable to acquire, enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food. Food-insecure households include those with low food security and very low food security. - 10.5 percent (13.7 million) of U.S. households were food insecure at some time during 2019. - Significantly down from 11.1 percent in 2018. Low food security-These food-insecure households obtained enough food to avoid substantially disrupting their eating patterns or reducing food intake by using a variety of coping strategies, such as eating less varied diets, participating in Federal food assistance programs, or getting food from community food pantries. - 6.4 percent (8.3 million) of U.S. households had low food security in 2019. - Down from 6.8 percent in 2018. Very low food security-In these food-insecure households, normal eating patterns of one or more household members were disrupted and food intake was reduced at times during the year because they had insufficient money or other resources for food. - 4.1 percent (5.3 million) of U.S. households had very low food security at some time during 2019. - Essentially unchanged from 4.3 percent in 2018."
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
@Tuuc le Tuuc You’re article doesn’t explain what counts as “food insecurity.”
Tuuc le Tuuc
Tuuc le Tuuc Сарын өмнө
@roxarecool "35.2 million people lived in food-insecure households." "The coronavirus pandemic has only worsened the problem. According to one estimate by researchers at Northwestern University, food insecurity more than doubled as a result of the economic crisis brought on by the outbreak, hitting as many as 23% of households earlier this year."
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
Provide evidence that 50,000,000 Americans are struggling to eat.
Anthony Fagiolo
Anthony Fagiolo Сарын өмнө
Here are the following logical fallacies I believe are in this video: 1. Strawman - by clearly misrepresenting the arguments of many american socialist theory and leaving out important parts of information (like America has checks and balances to prevent dictatorships, the different schools of thought in socialism, and the differing degrees of socialism) they take advantage of the viewer's inherit lack of understanding of socialism, seeing at it is a scare-word in American Politics and an umbrella term for multiple ideologies. 2. Slippery Slope - By asserting that if we allow more socialist and welfare policy, we will surely have a failing economy like venezuela as consequence will happen too. Therefore, we should not allow socialist and welfare policy. This too is a logical fallacy. Its the equivalent as saying same-sex couples shouldn't marry, because then people will be wanting to marry their parents and monkeys. Obviously when taking a second to think "is that an actual consequence?" we can see that this is a very arguable case, much more than the video portrays it to be. 3. False Cause - the video makes the presumption that the tax systems and specific policies of one country means that it will have the cause of the success of the system. This is simply not true, and an unfair assumption. Venezuela has progressive taxes and is socialist, America has progressive taxes; so when America becomes socialist, it will become like Venezuela. When you really think about that claim, it makes virtually no sense. Instead of defending that claim, it goes into the ways that Venzuela sucks. 4. The Gambler's Fallacy - Believing that 'runs' occur to statistically independent phenomena such as roulette wheel spins. That one speaks for itself through this video. 5. Black or White - Failing socialist states like Venezuela and successful socialist states like Scandinavia are our only frames of reference throughout this video. The video presents two alternative possibilities, saying that its either one or the other, when in fact other possibilities exist. 6. Anecdotal - The video uses a few isolated examples as proof to their argument, but not statistics or genuine theory. This is like saying that my grandfather smoked everyday and died at 95, therefore smoking must be safe. 7. The Texas Sharpshooter - this video cherrypicks data clusters and information to present their argument more favorably. Its also used to find patterns and fit presumptions, which may not be true. 8. Appeal to Emotion - because the presenter of the information says they are from Venezuela, then spends the majority of the video explaining how terrible Venezuela is, the video is designed to invoke an emotion and empathetic response in the place of a valid argument. Of course while on the topic of logical fallacies, I make one myself. I presume that because this information has been poorly presented and is riddled with fallacies, it is wrong. But that is not necessarily true. They could be right, maybe socialism will tear America apart. But, this video is so clearly misleading and takes such obvious leaps in logic that it is difficult to see what they're presenting as credible imo.
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
@Anthony Fagiolo “Countless politicians and pundits, including Walter Lippmann, called on FDR to become a “dictator,” which was not a dirty word in the 30s.” - Goldberg, Liberal Fascism, 2007, p. 11
Anthony Fagiolo
Anthony Fagiolo Сарын өмнө
@roxarecool FDR served for a long time, but a dictator has complete authority/control over a country - due to the inherit nature of our constitution, it is impossible for a single demagogue to claim absolute power.
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
Checks and balances to prevent dictators? Look at FDR.
Alltoc Сарын өмнө
This video is basically saying "The left say they want it like in Scandinavia but actually they mean Venezuela. Venezuela is bad because of this and that and the left wants it this way too because it is not like in Scandinavia" like... wth you can't make circular arguments like that
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
@Alltoc What do you mean by “in most countries” money and machinery is publicly owned. Where?
Alltoc Сарын өмнө
@roxarecool In case you missed it I wrote "If you meant to ask if I wanted that everybody owns every factory/business then no, I don't want that." I wasn't really sure what you meant, dude Either you meant public as is "everybody owns everything" or public as in "owned by the state/goverment" But then again, a really weird question to ask in response to someone pointing out a logical fallacy
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
@Alltoc Machinery and money are currently owned by the public in the United States? What?
Alltoc Сарын өмнө
@roxarecool um, that's a weird question to ask after someone pointed out a circular argument. I had no intend to make a statement about what political approach on economy is better. Also, the means of production are machinery and money, wich are currently owned by the public (in most countries anyways) and in my opinion it should stay this way. If you meant to ask if I wanted that everybody owns every factory/business then no, I don't want that. But then again, why are you asking this in the first place? I never said anything for or against that
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
Do you want public ownership of the means of production?
TheBarser Сарын өмнө
This channel is filled with false propoganda. Regards from Denmark
Cod4 Wii
Cod4 Wii Сарын өмнө
Thank u
Degenerate Queen
Degenerate Queen 2 сарын өмнө
I highly doubt anyone here knows what socialism is tbh....
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
I think 99% of people know that socialism is public ownership of production.
Joe Lobsterman
Joe Lobsterman 2 сарын өмнө
In the Book of Numbers, Moses is told that if the Hebrews follow God's commandments, they will be blessed. If they don't follow God's commandments, they will be cursed. The 10 Commandments, statutes, and judgements in the Old Testament are a blue print on how a people should act and behave in order to be free and prosperous. It's a "hack" for having a successful capitalist society. If a society does the opposite, they will fall into "bondage" and be poor. In fact, Moses is told that the societies that are falling, and that the Hebrews will overturn, are doing the things that Moses is told is not to be done. Our Founding Fathers understood this, and set up a system of government that allowed maximum free will and maximum person level sovereignty... to be able to prosper with our God given talents doing what God created us to do. This is a big factor in American success. Not so much with the countries that reject what the Founding Fathers handed to us. We see this with the socialist countries that she talks about above. The regular citizens in Venezuela right now can't really say that they are "free". Compare this to those in the United States, who were unemployed, but are currently employed and are doing well... Having a job, being productive, seeing that they're making a difference, and being able to provide for their family and themselves makes them feel liberated.
Markku Hänninen
Markku Hänninen 2 сарын өмнө
The minimum wage argument is bit misleading as all those countries have lots of unions and the wages are negotiated collectively. So while there is no minimum wage law, there is still minimum wage in practice. Also. Socialism and capitalism aren't absolutes, they are spectrum. Crude example: US is 15% socialist. Nordic countries are 25-35% socialist. Cold war eastern bloc countries were 70-90% socialist. Soviet Union was 95% socialist. So while you can't say Nordic countries are socialist, they are twice as socialist as US is. And of course poor people aren't net contributors, so while they pay sales tax, their income can be 100% from state.
Bucky Dee
Bucky Dee 2 сарын өмнө
I am still scared of Scandanavia of how perfect their mixed economy is
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
100% car tax
antonio703 2 сарын өмнө
The people who demonstrate against the United States are terrorists, what are demonstrated against Chavez are poor defenseless citizens. in Scandinavia there is no "antifa", of course stupid because socialist measures are applied there 4:30 In the US there are people looking in the garbage, millions sleeping on the street, people without being treated for illnesses due to not having public health ... what the hell are you talking about? this is a channel for the mentally handicapped.
antonio703 2 сарын өмнө
I do not understand such amount of fallacy but it is the most absolute evil
Vidar Strindberg
Vidar Strindberg 2 сарын өмнө
hello there
Vengeful Camel
Vengeful Camel 2 сарын өмнө
Socialists praise all of Scandinavia for their socialism but the problem is Scandinavia doesn’t even do socialism
roxarecool Сарын өмнө
@VIERA _1 Yeah let’s include the 100% auto tax
VIERA _1 2 сарын өмнө
If they’re not socialist then let’s do what they do.
João Paulo Xavier
João Paulo Xavier 2 сарын өмнө
Cuba is a model of embargoed country not socialist one. Venezuela os in this situation because US wants to drain ALL their oil.
Maria Olivieri
Maria Olivieri 2 сарын өмнө
YO sigo a tu te conocìa. Excelente video.
LonG PaN
LonG PaN 2 сарын өмнө
I come from China, and i am surprised to see such confusion among Americans. Learn some history, please. Then, there is no hard choice to make.
David Roy
David Roy 2 сарын өмнө
Yugoslavia was a socialist success, in fact, a communist success, both for its people and government.
Hooptie Hamburger
Hooptie Hamburger 2 сарын өмнө
Mao and Stalin sounded like Bernie Sanders when they were selling their insane ideas to their people. How did that turn out?
Taylor Grech
Taylor Grech 2 сарын өмнө
just so you know, Sanders would be a left leaning moderate in the majority of Western countries. my conservative grandparents think he was the best choice. this is coming from an Australian, living in the evil communist land down under
Soulplexis 2 сарын өмнө
"What country do you wanna go to?" "Denmark." "Okay were here!" "I meant venezuela"
Derek Watson
Derek Watson 2 сарын өмнө
Soooo then why are these countries doing so much better in every category compared to America?
Ashwin Vasant
Ashwin Vasant 2 сарын өмнө
PragerU, if you claim that the Scandinavian model is not Socialist and is benefiting the people of Denmark, Swede, etc., then why don't we implement a similar model here in the US?
Faby 2 сарын өмнө
Excelente... mejor explicado imposible!
Banana Mapping and Gaming
Banana Mapping and Gaming 2 сарын өмнө
No, they mean Scandinavia. Only the based people like me and my comrades want the Soviet Union
Ashton Steele
Ashton Steele 2 сарын өмнө
So if the Nordic countries aren’t socialist, why can’t we do what they’re doing ...
Taylor Grech
Taylor Grech 2 сарын өмнө
at the very least they could do what us Australians are doing. but according to random educated conservatives on the interwebnet, Australia is a communist shit hole. there's no winning with them
Daniel Reyes
Daniel Reyes 2 сарын өмнө
I learn so much from PragerU than I ever did in school. May this channel thrive for ages! ⭐️
Taun Aengus
Taun Aengus 2 сарын өмнө
This vid is bull shit
Ankmamma 2 сарын өмнө
They're not socialist they're social democracy
Xyphoon 2 сарын өмнө
This is such a cope lol
Dr. Coomer
Dr. Coomer 2 сарын өмнө
If everyone pays the same tax its socialism If the rich pay more tax than the poor its communism If the poor pay more tax its exploitation If no one pays taxes, the country doesn't work. - A few peoples from right wing
Victor10 2 сарын өмнө
Why do people believe in PragerU vids smh
Liam B
Liam B 2 сарын өмнө
Americans think public healthcare, free education are radical, I’m sorry to tell you your country is stil sufferring from red scare
Liam B
Liam B 2 сарын өмнө
@Janie Swanson because not everyone is as well off as you, no family should worry if they can pay a medical bill for their child or provide them with food same with education, we pay 20-30k for university your prices are crazy inflated
Janie Swanson
Janie Swanson 2 сарын өмнө
Actually we don't. We just don't want to be taxed for things we don't need. (Ask England about that) I already graduated college and had no loans. I have very good health insurance. Why should I have to pay more for the useless, illegals, and welfare drug dealers to have anything?
Jun F
Jun F 2 сарын өмнө
The US and Japan, my home country's TV media are cheerleaders for Left-wing ideology and some of them consider conservative liberalism as RIGHT WING. Both of the nations know how the government-controlled countries ended up and we financially helped them from our taxes. We need to protect our values for our children who are smart enough to make their own decisions, not by their governments.
7anonimo1 2 сарын өмнө
Anne R
Anne R 2 сарын өмнө
what is it that this group wants? Making healthcare available to those who need it will somehow take away from the very wealthy and on top of that will impoverish us all? Asking the wealiest in the US to pay a fair amount of taxes will impoverish our entire country? What do these people want?
Anne R
Anne R 2 сарын өмнө
@Janie Swanson you've got it figured out.
Janie Swanson
Janie Swanson 2 сарын өмнө
@Anne R "You want to be certain wealthy people are not taxed because it will make them leave the country and then that would make middle class people have to pay taxes?" Never said nor implied that. In order to pay for healthcare the way you want the government to, the wealthy will have to be taxed 99% and the middle class will have to be taxed 90%. This is insane. Blame it on whatever you want. The 10-30 million illegals, the 34 million that are able to work yet choose to be on welfare anyway, or even the healthcare system itself causing inflation through bloated bills and regulations. What you want is just ludicrous in a country as large as the United States. All we need is for the illegals to be sent back to their country by air drop and people that don't really need welfare (criminals, druggies, drug sellers, etc.) to be cut off. Once that is complete we need the bloated system to be put in check and after that everything will be just fine. But sure....tell me more about how taxing the *"wealiest"* is going to do anything.
Anne R
Anne R 2 сарын өмнө
@Janie Swanson you got me on the spelling Janie. If I understand what you are saying. You want to be certain wealthy people are not taxed because it will make them leave the country and then that would make middle class people have to pay taxes? I think my spelling is ok here. I want to be sure I understand your logic.
Janie Swanson
Janie Swanson 2 сарын өмнө
"Asking the wealiest in the US to pay a fair amount of taxes will impoverish our entire country?" 1. wealiest is not a word. 2. it is the middle class that will pay the most. Look at New York and California. People really hate the recent extreme tax hikes and are leaving the states. If you raise taxes on the *wealthiest* (this is how you spell it) people you will only convince them to leave the country. They can afford it. Then where do you get the money from? Oh right....the middle class. Push them in to poverty for what?
KimaShin 2 сарын өмнө
China now, BAD!
Zwiebelface 2 сарын өмнө
bit no longer really socialist lol
Slink Shady
Slink Shady 2 сарын өмнө
PragerU, getting it completely wrong as usual. Why do right wing idiots just continuously lie?
Janie Swanson
Janie Swanson 2 сарын өмнө
@Zwiebelface He has yet to say anything else. Remember, intelligent people know what context is.
Zwiebelface 2 сарын өмнө
@Janie Swanson I backed up his claim.
Janie Swanson
Janie Swanson 2 сарын өмнө
@Zwiebelface "When you only want to argue with stupid people" I am arguing with you. Why do you call yourself stupid? Not so bright are you? Read the context. I say he doesn't back up his claims and you come out of nowhere to tell me I am wrong... He still hasn't backed up his claim.
Zwiebelface 2 сарын өмнө
@Janie Swanson 🤣 When you only want to argue with stupid people there is something horribly wrong with you.
Janie Swanson
Janie Swanson 2 сарын өмнө
@Zwiebelface You're not Slink Shady. They made the claim.
ArtOnion 2 сарын өмнө
Oh wow, this is so dumb. Is this what Americans need to understand politics, an educational propaganda cartoon for small children?
Newbuild Muse
Newbuild Muse Сарын өмнө
Aw, whats the matter, don't like that people are starting to see you leftists for the type of people your religious cult really is? Uneducated socialist...
Alex 2 сарын өмнө
They're bad because they're authoritarian. That is not exclusive to a socialist economic system so it's a pointless comparison to even try and make.
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