Defining Liberty

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The Framers wrote the Constitution to protect the liberty of American citizens. But what exactly did “liberty” mean to them? More importantly, what should it mean to you? Eugene Volokh, professor of constitutional law at UCLA, explores this important issue.
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Here's something we can all agree on. Liberty is a wonderful thing. The American Constitution says so, right in the Preamble: The Framers established the Constitution to "secure the Blessings of Liberty."
So, why doesn't that offer a clear answer to most of the constitutional questions that face America today? Aren't lawmakers, who swear to uphold the Constitution, obliged by their oaths to vote for liberty?
The problem is that liberty, like equality or justice, is a complicated idea that means different things to different people. Consider, for instance, one simple question: Whom do we want liberty from?
Well, we want liberty from a tyrannical government. That's why we have a Bill of Rights, and that's why the Constitution was designed to impose powerful constraints on the federal government (and, eventually, state governments).
But we also want liberty from foreign tyrants, right? What's the point of having a government that won't oppress us, if it can't protect us from foreign invaders who would oppress us even more? That's why the Preamble also says the Constitution is set up to "provide for the common defense."
Yet to protect ourselves against foreign tyranny, we may need to restrict domestic liberty. At the very least, the government has to impose taxes to pay for the military. Throughout American history, the government has also been seen as having the power to draft men to fight in wars; that's certainly a restriction on individual liberty. But it's long been seen as consistent with the Constitution.
We can see other examples, too.
The Fourth Amendment bans "unreasonable searches and seizures." That's a powerful protection for liberty. But it doesn't ban all searches and seizures; reasonable ones are allowed. That's in part so the law can better protect us from criminals intruding on our liberty.
Likewise, the Fifth Amendment provides that private property shall not "be taken for public use, without just compensation." But that means that sometimes your property can be taken for public use with compensation, however much this limits your liberty to, say, continue living in your family house that has been condemned to make room for a highway. Sometimes liberty does yield to public benefit.
What's more, everyone agrees that my liberty doesn't extend to violating your rights. But where do my rights stop and yours start?
The Constitution itself doesn't tell us, since it lists pretty much just those rights that are protected against government intrusion like the free exercise of religion. People disagree about what rights should be protected from supposed intrusion by others-for instance, by employers, or by large businesses that might try to stifle competition.
So, what do we do about this? How do we resolve all these hard questions about liberty?
First, the Framers of the Constitution explicitly protected certain liberties, such as the freedom of speech and the right to keep and bear arms.
Second, the Framers gave the courts a major role in defining the scope of those liberties.
Third, the Framers set up the structures of government-such as separation of powers-that would help protect liberty, by making sure that no single branch of government could unduly restrict liberty.
But then, fourth, they left the rest of the debate about liberty to the political process. Indeed, even the gravest violation of basic natural liberty in American history-slavery-was ultimately abolished by the political process, as well as of course by the Civil War, which was started and conducted by elected officials.
The Framers also believed that most decisions in people's lives would not and should not be made by the government. They should be made by ordinary people: which job to take, which business to start, whom to associate with, how much to sell or buy things for, and innumerable other choices.
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Elijah Selvin
Elijah Selvin 22 цагийн өмнө
This video is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really stupid
Oliver Yukica
Oliver Yukica Өдрийн өмнө
"Here's something we can all agree on. Liberty is a wonderful thing. The American Constitution says so, right in the Preamble: The Framers established the Constitution to 'secure the Blessings of Liberty.'" So, liberty wouldn't be wonderful if the constitution didn't say so?
David Konevky
David Konevky Өдрийн өмнө
Liberty also includes having the possibility to think that there's only 2 genders without getting fired from your job
Louis Gagnon
Louis Gagnon 3 өдрийн өмнө
We The People want fair elections and small government...
Jeff McDonald
Jeff McDonald 4 өдрийн өмнө
Test Proves MSM Is Enemy of the People. You may have heard, that Obama signed a law granting journalists the right to use propaganda on US citizens. You dont trust who said that because you never heard that from TV or anywhere else. So you decide to a search for yourself to see if its true or not. Go ahead type this into Google " Obama approves Propaganda Against US Citizens" and see what comes up. Pay close attention to the headlines and who published it, these are Traitors to the USA, and will be punished accordingly. If the headline reads: Obama did not sign a law allowing propaganda, you now have Proof that the MSM is the Enemy of the People or at least that particular publisher. In 2012 Barak Obama signed the Defense Authorization Act and tucked into the act was H.R.5736 - Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012. This Act allowed for Journalists to use propaganda on its own citizens, essentially, giving them a license to deceive. This had never been done before in USA history, but the MSM didnt think it was newsworth enough to tell you! (please share everywhere)
SimonHub 7 өдрийн өмнө
Eminent domain, no matter what the justification, goes against the right of property of all individuals and goes against each person’s liberty.
7anonimo1 7 өдрийн өмнө
Ethan2awesome 7 өдрийн өмнө
Vanessa Cabello
Vanessa Cabello 7 өдрийн өмнө
If you repent of your sins, believe in Christ Jesus, and confess with your mouth, then you will be saved. Time is short, the time to make the choice is now.
my corona
my corona 8 өдрийн өмнө
How many people saw liberty and had that stupid liberty mutual jingle pop in their head? liberty liberty liberty... We're all brainwashed.
Bryan Guzik
Bryan Guzik 8 өдрийн өмнө
I know this is irrelevant, but I couldn't help smiling & thinking this guy is amazing in losing whatever accent he had. But he "gave himself up" when saying "Constitution"! *to the point, solid as usual!
Amir Dekel
Amir Dekel 8 өдрийн өмнө
I am an Isreali, and in Israel, as the home of all Jews, the government is able to restrict "false" marriages. Although you can argue that it is against the liberty principles, I believe that is right as a religious Jew. Will that count me as an enemy of liberty?
7anonimo1 8 өдрийн өмнө
7anonimo1 8 өдрийн өмнө
MrWest3% 8 өдрийн өмнө
Yes, our forefathers left things up to us to vote on, but when voting is corrupted, the Second Amendment...
Noir 9 өдрийн өмнө
Limited government =/= liberty Liberty as a concept is incoherent, or at the very least unreachable because hitherto any society which purports to have achieved it is lying. America does not have liberty, America just has an aesthetic of liberty and utilizes this as an ideological tool to further it's own interests. Albeit this is true of most societies that are built around liberal ontology and values.
Chauncy Prime
Chauncy Prime 9 өдрийн өмнө
I love Dennis Prager. Sometimes when he sighs on his show It's as if he's going to cry.
Rose Parsnip
Rose Parsnip 9 өдрийн өмнө
Chinese protesters wave American Flags, they want what we have, and so many take for granted. By no means is the US perfect, but that is because Humans are NOT perfect, we are flawed, it is precisely these flaws that render Socialism/Communism useless! To combat the corruption that breeds in positions of power, a Constitutional Republic provides limitations, checks & balances, with transparency.
LovingPrinceTamayuki 12 өдрийн өмнө
"slavery abolished by government" 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Well that's just a matter of not knowing your history, whether there was a political dispute between certain Free Soil Republicans and the Dixiecrats separatists or not on the matter of slave and free, they are Politicians some of them believed what they stood for and some of them didn't. (Just like today) however the bigger issue is that slavery has always fluctuated in demand, I don't want to assume Lincoln had intended that Government would end out with a monopoly on the slave labor industry but if you've ever read the 13th amendment that's the only reason anyone would leave it the way it is now.
RightInside LeftistMiasma
RightInside LeftistMiasma 12 өдрийн өмнө
Candace, can you, Ben, Knowles, or Elder please challenge The Rock to a debate? All he does is spew empty platitudes to warmup a liberal base, possibly for a breakout into politics. He’d survive longer than Cardi B did against you, but likely not by much. We would all love to see it, and it would convert many his blind liberal followers to conservatism!
7anonimo1 12 өдрийн өмнө
7anonimo1 14 өдрийн өмнө
C J 14 өдрийн өмнө This girl made it out of north korea and is sharing her story. Shes a libertarian who supports. limited government. She has SO many relevant to say please check out her channel!
Connor Compton
Connor Compton 14 өдрийн өмнө
Dear Mr. Eugene Volokh, I recognize that you are trying to explain the idea and concept of Liberty, however, there is one major statement that I wish to add more clarification. For instance, I want to take a look at your statement about the American Civil War when you said, “Indeed, even the gravest violation of basic natural liberty in American history-slavery-was ultimately abolished by the political process, as well as of course by the Civil War, which was started and conducted by elected officials.” (Volokh) I researched your statement and found that the causes to the American Civil War did involved elected officials (i.e. the election of Abraham Lincoln) and Slavery. However, have you considered that there were also economic reasons for the cause of the American Civil War? For instance, according to, “The Southern economy became a one-crop economy, depending on cotton and, therefore, on enslaved people. Though it was often supported throughout the social and economic classes, not every white Southerner enslaved people. The population of the pro-slavery states was around 9.6 million in 1850 and only about 350,000 were enslavers. This included many of the wealthiest families, a number of whom owned large plantations. At the start of the Civil War, at least 4 million enslaved people were forced to live and work on the Southern plantations. In contrast, industry ruled the economy of the North and less emphasis was on agriculture, though even that was more diverse. Many Northern industries were purchasing the South's raw cotton and turning it into finished goods. This economic disparity also led to irreconcilable differences in societal and political views.” (Kelly) Thank you for reading my message, I hope that you are having a productive day or evening. Sincerely, Connor Compton Sources used for research. Kelly, Martin. "What Were the Top 4 Causes of the Civil War?" ThoughtCo, September 14, 2020, Bias check of sources used for research. Van Zandt, Dave. “Thoughtco.” Media Bias Fact Check, Media Bias Fact Check, LLC, 21st of February, 2018, For those who wonder who fact checks the fact-checkers. Codes and Principles, IFCN code of, IFCN,
Nika Q
Nika Q 15 өдрийн өмнө
This guy looks like an abused puppet
RevolverOcelot2008 15 өдрийн өмнө
"We want liberty from a tyrannical government." Yet your supporters support a candidate who says mail in ballots are unfair because it allows more people to vote and that if more people vote it is more difficult for Republicans to get elected.(Not an attack on Republicans in general I voted for McCain however claim no allegiance to any party as that is honestly cultish ) Not wanting large portions of people to vote is tyrannical...
freesk8 16 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty is your right to do whatever you want, as long as in so doing, you are not significantly harming the rights to life, liberty and property of any other person. That means the draft is wrong. That means taxation is wrong. Any government that actually was limited to only defending our equal, individual rights to life, liberty and property would enjoy voluntary contributions to fund it, and would enjoy plenty of volunteers to defend it at time of war.
Fred Garvin
Fred Garvin 16 өдрийн өмнө
Not good. More "small government" claptrap. Better than some PragerU videos, but not good.
nextlevelcrazy 16 өдрийн өмнө
I am subbed to this channel and I did not get a video on my notif for weeks
Da Booser
Da Booser 16 өдрийн өмнө
Somehow I was unsubscribed to PragerU and a couple other conservative channels.
Shasta Hagar
Shasta Hagar 16 өдрийн өмнө
The animation is nice
ShnoogleMan 17 өдрийн өмнө
Wow this is like the least anti-progressive and most-impartial PragerU video in a while. Like don't get me wrong it has it's flaws, but this can easily be used to justify the policies of either side.
Pam Keen
Pam Keen 17 өдрийн өмнө
The dictionary says liberty is the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views. Unfortunately, individual liberty is dead.
Dennis Diamond B. Belvis
Dennis Diamond B. Belvis 17 өдрийн өмнө
Thank you very much, sir. I needed the information. 1x
idahoan dude
idahoan dude 17 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty is dead. America as we know it is dead. We need to focus now on what will rise from the inevitable ashes.
Doron Berger
Doron Berger 17 өдрийн өмнө
The line that I like to use is: We need a government that is as small as possible and as large as needed to protect and benefit as many people as possible.
Dave 4526
Dave 4526 18 өдрийн өмнө
I have to say nice moderate video. Didn’t go all far right on me. Our liberty is the power to choose what kind of government we want. That’s true liberty.
Toby Garcia
Toby Garcia 18 өдрийн өмнө
I stand corrected: there is reasonable thought to be found at UCLA. You just have to visit PragerU to discover it.
Sebastian Casanova
Sebastian Casanova 18 өдрийн өмнө
A B 18 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty = Gay Marriage=Legalized Marijuana
fine 649
fine 649 18 өдрийн өмнө
There's a problem with the PragerU android app! please fix the app
evert zwijnenberg
evert zwijnenberg 18 өдрийн өмнө
You have not defined liberty. You only described how liberty is being delt with. If you can't define it, you will not really be able to evaluate the best strategy for protecting it.
Stephano X
Stephano X 18 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty = Libertariansim
Van Ford
Van Ford 18 өдрийн өмнө
The eagle has fallen. The United States government has just been overthrown by a handful of corrupt inner city thugs, socialist democrats and America hating marxist media. Two nights ago these violent, corrupt communist burned the American voting booth to the ground so now we only have one alternative left. If you are an American patriot then you know what has to be done. NO JUSTICE....NO PEACE!!!! God Bless America!!
Felidae 19 өдрийн өмнө
Just like all things in the American Legal system, its ambiguous... 4th amendment!! If you dont concent, they bring in a specially trained K-9 unit... Then they get access to your vehicle cuzz there is probably cause... Why... Cuzz the mutt says so...
The Gent
The Gent 19 өдрийн өмнө
Bye bye Trump!
Alan Smith
Alan Smith 19 өдрийн өмнө
Speaking the Language of Liberty by Bill Norton & Mark Herr, chapter 2 or 3 gives an excellent explanation of the difference between freedom and liberty. Recommended to those who liked this video and want to learn more.
Pablo M. Daza
Pablo M. Daza 19 өдрийн өмнө
In Bolivia we decided to give our liberty to a marxist party by DEMOCRACY voting, so no, the video was wrong.
Pablo M. Daza
Pablo M. Daza 8 өдрийн өмнө
@Jim Pickens the reallity says other thing
Jim Pickens
Jim Pickens 18 өдрийн өмнө
I hope you Bolivians have a wonderful and prosperous future under Marxism and can set an example for all countries (hopefully without sabotage from the U.S.A.). From an armchair revolutionary in Aus 🇦🇺
Johnson Alexander
Johnson Alexander 19 өдрийн өмнө
People who do not need to earn their living are left-wing. People who want others to earn their living for them are left-wing. People who earn their living are right-wing. That is the difference between left and right.
HawkJammin 18 өдрийн өмнө
Left wing business owner here. I do all of the labor and haven't hired any employees yet, there's leeches on both sides of the aisle but the biggest leeches are the 0.1% That accumulate wealth just because they own almost everything.
Omar Shahaltough
Omar Shahaltough 19 өдрийн өмнө
wow for once an unbiased video. well done
Beaguins 19 өдрийн өмнө
What we need is a government that is small, but strong and effective in its lawful purposes.
Gazzaplayz 19 өдрийн өмнө
Liam Halla
Liam Halla 19 өдрийн өмнө
Take down the CDC.
Omarahmad tv
Omarahmad tv 19 өдрийн өмнө
man leftists need to understand that resisting lockdowns for a 99 percent survival rate virus isnt brave.
Vinicius Costa
Vinicius Costa 20 өдрийн өмнө
DarknessGuide 20 өдрийн өмнө
Instead of asking your audience for donations pull yourself by your bootstaps or ask your sugar daddies the Koch Brothers.
God Of Theory
God Of Theory 20 өдрийн өмнө
If there are limitations and restrictions to liberty for whatever purpose, then I don't want liberty...
Ashutosh Srivastava
Ashutosh Srivastava 20 өдрийн өмнө
Devon 20 өдрийн өмнө
Bro is Prager U actually based?
Just A Man
Just A Man 20 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty is not complicated at all. Sometimes you must shut the f**k up and listen to other people.
Ag silver Radio
Ag silver Radio 20 өдрийн өмнө
4:05 In theory, the rest of our libertys/rights are walled off, (at least from the federal government,) by the 9th and 10th ammendments! (Not that that seems to have worked out too well.)
Ivax Nog
Ivax Nog 21 өдрийн өмнө
About freedom
Ivax Nog
Ivax Nog 21 өдрийн өмнө
Fire Tarrasque
Fire Tarrasque 21 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty is when I have cocaine and the more cocaine I have the libertier it is
Pascal Mercedes
Pascal Mercedes 21 өдрийн өмнө
Franco C
Franco C 21 өдрийн өмнө
I'm tearful watching this video. The single value that makes America great is under threat by the Dems. Gld bless!
Jim Pickens
Jim Pickens 18 өдрийн өмнө
It seems spelling is under threat by the Republicans.
David Cantrell
David Cantrell 21 өдрийн өмнө
The fact that there are ANY thumbs down on this video is a scary thing. Long Live Liberty!
Who? 21 өдрийн өмнө
Yeah we should follow rules that were made by slave masters 200 years ago and there sole purpose was to give power to said slave owners and to boost their ego yes i believe in freedom and liberty how is that hypocritical
Andy Wong
Andy Wong 21 өдрийн өмнө
good video, wrong conclusion, majority can vote to confiscate the wealth of minority, that is is a proof that liberity can NOT, and should NOT be defined by democracy. liberity can only be defined by rule of law, and only the CORRECT law, the correct law may be created by some super wise and strong founders though dictatorship(like Sigapore), may also be created by some very well educated citizens though democracy(like UK and morden Germany).
Killing Me Will Not Bring Back Your Apples
Killing Me Will Not Bring Back Your Apples 21 өдрийн өмнө
rootssixtysix 21 өдрийн өмнө
Trump Campaign Statement on Democrat Plans to Delegitimize Election Day Results. Please disseminate as widely as possible.
Miguel Olivera
Miguel Olivera 21 өдрийн өмнө
1:39 I quit my job because of, *p a i d t o b e h o m e .c o m*
Nathan Ryan
Nathan Ryan 21 өдрийн өмнө
PragerU needs to be shared to friends and family.
I hear Ya
I hear Ya 21 өдрийн өмнө
UP @ 4:15 am. VOTING @ 6am EST. ✅
Enon Knives
Enon Knives 21 өдрийн өмнө
Liberty is not a difficult concept. People define the term differently because they've never been taught what the word actually means. Same with equality, justice, freedom, etc. It is difficult to explain these simple concepts to Leftists because the Left took over education has guaranteed that people won't -- or can't -- think. Ignorant people are easier to manipulate.
Phanto 21 өдрийн өмнө
I can’t believe I voted for Trump, but the left left me no choice.
Papa Stalin
Papa Stalin 21 өдрийн өмнө
Idk why but those who spread lies and are funded by billionaires(their not) are a lot more open minded then others. Or also the fact that their “disinformation” is more accurate then what the leftists claim (such as Lincoln was a leftist, he was not)
GerardHard 21 өдрийн өмнө
Beware! Prager U Has a new enemy it is ''drum role'' THE GRAVEL INSTUTUTE.
GerardHard 21 өдрийн өмнө
it is the prager u of the left
lilguac 21 өдрийн өмнө
unironcially this is a prageru video i actaully enjoyed watching... i love freedom
Florida Boy. / California Man .
Florida Boy. / California Man . 21 өдрийн өмнө
Freedom, freedom 's , Right's, Free will , Liberty , is the best thing ever. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
Sarah Benedict
Sarah Benedict 21 өдрийн өмнө
What a sad, missed opportunity, Prager. Seriously huge fail. How is Ron Paul not doing this one?! After all, he wrote a book TITLED “Liberty Defined” and was the most Constitutionally loyal person in Congress...not to mention the liberty movement he single-handedly created in 08 and quadrupled in 2012...but sure, a random UCLA law professor trying to fill those shoes works too. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ I mean, Obama was a constitutional lawyer too...I don’t consider that much of an indication of anything good.
dboy6400 20 өдрийн өмнө
Ron Paul is a great and very wise man. However, this speaker did a fine job. It's the content that matters more than the person delivering it.
Paul Wilson
Paul Wilson 21 өдрийн өмнө
they also intended a well informed electorate not a well propagandized one.
American Pharoah
American Pharoah 21 өдрийн өмнө
Life liberty and pursuit of happiness. Our forefathers understood the pursuit of happiness is different than liberty and life. They also were wise in saying pursuit and not happiness. I also think they assumed happiness would not be mixed up with other things. Liberty is the ability to do and choose without being pressured. Freedom is the ability to think and act without unjust consequence. Or so it seems that way simplified.
Abigail Stone
Abigail Stone 21 өдрийн өмнө
Please do a video on the Cloward-Piven strategy and it’s relevance to today’s unemployment and UBI push.
UniversalPerson 21 өдрийн өмнө
True freedom is impossible under an oppressive capitalist state. States always become corrupt and exploitative.
Scallywag 4
Scallywag 4 21 өдрийн өмнө
Freedom to choose, freedom to do without encroachment of other’s freedom. The freedom to self preservation, again, without encroachment. Simple logic. As James said below, self-determination, or one step further, self-reliance.
Catholic Conservative
Catholic Conservative 21 өдрийн өмнө
The question is how much liberty will your government sell you back?
robinsss 20 өдрийн өмнө
through lobbying and voting i can take my liberty back
Q-Tip 47
Q-Tip 47 21 өдрийн өмнө
May God save us all. Keep Trump in office!
Samuel Underwood
Samuel Underwood 21 өдрийн өмнө
Licence is man's freedom to do as he wants. Liberty is man's freedom to do as he ought.
el 21 өдрийн өмнө
this first channel helps understand the bible from a scientific perspective mnpost.infofeaturedthis this second channel is good for addressing supposive Bible erros amogst other things this third channel tackles many atheist claims amogst other things for Those Who are interested I recommend these channels for understanding why the bible is valid
John Redden
John Redden 21 өдрийн өмнө
Challenge: Take a shot every time "liberty" is mentioned.
Alex Carlson
Alex Carlson 21 өдрийн өмнө
Anyone else think that Eugene Volokh kinda sounds like Jordan Peterson?
Samuel Baiano
Samuel Baiano 21 өдрийн өмнө
Finally a non biased video
table 21 өдрийн өмнө
Conservatives support a tyranny
KarkTheRedCanadianDragon 21 өдрийн өмнө
In the immortal words of Shaggy from Scooby Doo: Give me liberty, or give me pizza pie! :)
PhilBagels 15 өдрийн өмнө
@Ag silver Radio Seems like quite a few people would these days. "What do I care about liberty when I can get free stuff!"
Ag silver Radio
Ag silver Radio 20 өдрийн өмнө
Are you saying you would give up your liberty for a pizza?!
Beth Phillips
Beth Phillips 21 өдрийн өмнө
Just told by my apartment manager that I need to remove "that cloth" from my window. "That cloth" is the AMERICAN FLAG. !!!
Sohaib Khan
Sohaib Khan 21 өдрийн өмнө
Roger Metzger
Roger Metzger 21 өдрийн өмнө
You’ve made the same mistake the majority of “journalists” and editors are making, namely, referring to legislators as “lawmakers”. The words we use affect the way we think and the way we act. The founding fathers envisioned a system set up for the express purpose of NOT creating any more laws than absolutely necessary. A majority of the problems we have in our society (United States) now are the result of voters electing people who think it is their “job” to tell the rest of us what to do or not do. Please let me know when you hear about someone running for political office on the platform of voting no more often than yes on proposed legislation. I’d like to vote for him.
ROGER2095 14 өдрийн өмнө
Legislators aren't lawmakers? What else can legislators do but make laws?
Roger Metzger
Roger Metzger 20 өдрийн өмнө
@robinsss OK. I've made a suggestion about something we, the people, can do to persuade members of Congress (both major parties) that the more laws they pass the more compensation they should receive. Now it is your turn. How do you suggest persuading them that more isn't always better? For example, have you ever written to your congressman imploring him to never vote on any legislation that he has not read in its entirety? Have you ever written to implore your congressman to not vote for any legislation until he is quite sure he understands it entirely. If you don't like my ideas, that's OK. But let's hear some suggestions about how to solve the problem.
robinsss 20 өдрийн өмнө
'''''''The founding fathers envisioned a system set up for the express purpose of NOT creating any more laws than absolutely necessary. ''' but they still create laws so they are lawmakers
Heri Styono
Heri Styono 21 өдрийн өмнө
The Framers wrote the Constitution to protect the liberty of American citizens (to own slaves)
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