The Book Club: Divine Comedy by Dante with Catherine Illingworth

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A man who has nothing left to lose is led through hell, purgatory, and heaven in this incomparable masterpiece. Dante scholar Catherine Illingworth joins Michael Knowles to discuss his favorite work of art ever composed: Dante’s Divine Comedy.
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Tolstoy111 8 цагийн өмнө
Dante pretty much invented modern fiction. The Comedy presents characters as products of a specific time, place and circumstance as opposed to archetypes or representations of a vice or virtue. And it all takes place in a precisely designed fictional environment.
Samuel McQuillan
Samuel McQuillan Өдрийн өмнө
Just hearing this moved me to tears
Alex Isidro
Alex Isidro Өдрийн өмнө
Great insight. At 31 years old I’m finally getting more interest in knowing more about this book...even though I was introduced to it by my Literature professor back when I was 14!!!
QZ Sue
QZ Sue 8 өдрийн өмнө
I read the translation by John Ciardi. He had great notes so you could get to know some of the people he encountered, and there were also illustrations. I lost the books in a fire, but I'll be getting them again.
Cameron 9 өдрийн өмнө
I didn't know Michael could speak Italian that well. That's pretty neat. XD
James Smith
James Smith 10 өдрийн өмнө
You should do F451 by Ray Bradbury
Sarah George
Sarah George 14 өдрийн өмнө
I would love to see a Book Club on the Gulag Archipelago.
Katie Hill
Katie Hill 14 өдрийн өмнө
I really enjoy this book club guest, Catherine Illingworth! She's not just a gifted literary scholar but instructor as well. She distills these immense works of literature into language we non-geniuses can understand.
Paul Christensen
Paul Christensen 15 өдрийн өмнө
He promised her a trophy, but she didn't get one. Sad day... haha
Tracie Trosclair
Tracie Trosclair 19 өдрийн өмнө
Cause if for one single moment I think, "Well at least I'm not satan," means I already am, cause if he was once good and had a free will and willed what was NOT, what will make my own selfish will NOT will my own over GOD'S?? omg does anyone in human existence feel the burden of existing quite as heavy as I do?? Anyone? Anyone? Nope? Cool, great...what do ya know I'm totally alone...sweet
Tracie Trosclair
Tracie Trosclair 19 өдрийн өмнө
Please pretty lady with the red nice hair, tell me you have some inkling of an understanding of what I'm not saying at all due to sheer confusion now....
Tracie Trosclair
Tracie Trosclair 19 өдрийн өмнө
I feel like I'm gonna just start throwing up thoughts unfinished infinitely into Eternity
Ed Findlay
Ed Findlay 21 өдрийн өмнө
"At the midpoint on the journey of life, I found myself in a dark forest, for the clear path was lost..."
Loretta Hooper
Loretta Hooper 21 өдрийн өмнө
What was Dante’s worldview?
petroglyph888 McGregor
petroglyph888 McGregor 21 өдрийн өмнө
I'm sure it wasn't Dante's intention, but sadly the biggest cultural impact of his book [in the English-speaking world] was to help perpetuate the notion of hell which the Gnostics brought into Christianity. [Hopefully Dante has a better legacy outside of the English-speaking world]
Mez in Wonderland
Mez in Wonderland 22 өдрийн өмнө
I'm listening to this as I grade student workbooks. This is so well done!!!
Thomas K 96
Thomas K 96 22 өдрийн өмнө
Do The Count Of Monte Cristo.
Shejo284 23 өдрийн өмнө
Are we all not of one blood?
Sara Polis
Sara Polis 23 өдрийн өмнө
❤️❤️❤️ Any thoughts about Clive James translation?
Gandalf the Grey
Gandalf the Grey 23 өдрийн өмнө
Btw folks, if no book or piece of art has ever been able to make you cry, you are sorely missing something fundamental within yourself.
Sara Polis
Sara Polis 22 өдрийн өмнө
Gandalf the Grey
Gandalf the Grey 23 өдрийн өмнө
I have to hear more from her.
Jorge Linares
Jorge Linares 24 өдрийн өмнө
That was great. thank you!
Captain Bravo
Captain Bravo 25 өдрийн өмнө
I very much enjoyed this edition of the Book Club, and Catherine is a delightful guest. I hope you have her on again.
Colleen Beyer
Colleen Beyer 26 өдрийн өмнө
I had to read this as a freshman in high school. Classical Catholic education, baby!
Charles Horton
Charles Horton 26 өдрийн өмнө
Michael Knowles, this is the very, very best MNpost video of all time. You did well as did Catherine Illingworth. Where did you find her? Excellent in every way.
Kaleigh C
Kaleigh C 27 өдрийн өмнө
I read these on my own when I was in high school. I remember a couple of kids in biology class (I often read in class because I finished the work very fast) thought it was cool until they looked at the prose and didn't understand any of it, then they thought I was crazy. XD I would rate them as Inferno, Paradiso, Purgatorio as far as how interesting they were. Being a Devil May Cry fan though I get some mental hiccups when they say Dante and Virgil in this Video. XD Reading it isn't bad though because Capcom spelled their Vergil with an "e" and in the poem it's the classic "I" spelling, Virgil. So I could never listen to these books on audio anymore, but reading is no problem. The Barnes and Nobel copies I have have great context notes at the end as well. Very very helpful.
FEnCSERX 27 өдрийн өмнө
Can we get a link to the translation they used
Sara Polis
Sara Polis 20 өдрийн өмнө
The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri: Volume 1: Inferno Purgatorio: The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri, Vol. 2 The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri: Volume 3: Paradiso
TJ Edwards
TJ Edwards 27 өдрийн өмнө
Do catholics believe this is Canon? It is inspired. But is is accepted?
HealthyMealthy 27 өдрийн өмнө
They need to bring her as a regular. She is great!
Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez 28 өдрийн өмнө
Micheal Knowles cry's for books! LOL!
David Lenz
David Lenz 28 өдрийн өмнө
I've been thinking about reading this.. but don't know if it's worth it. I live classic literature.
Cameron 28 өдрийн өмнө
Those damn circles.
Joseph Albatross
Joseph Albatross 26 өдрийн өмнө
Cursed, indeed
dm91214 29 өдрийн өмнө
What a wonderful and insightful discussion. Thank you.
IGIprimigenia 29 өдрийн өмнө
This comment section gives me hope, it really does. You're all marvellous human beings.
Fatima Zahra
Fatima Zahra 29 өдрийн өмнө
Absolutely Brilliant, I wish I can be this much precise
Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell 29 өдрийн өмнө
Dante saw Islam as a heretical interpretation of Christianity that aggravated East-West antagonisms. A sword-bearing devil slashes open the Prophet’s wound whenever it heals itself. Cut from top to the bottom of his body, with most internal organs hanging out. Thus the dividers of humanity are themselves divided Dante's inferno
THE ART OF WAR Сарын өмнө
Aeneid is nothing but a propaganda work made to cement octavian position so he could become emperor
AskAScreenwriter Сарын өмнө
What are some of the best translations (with footnotes, study aids, etc.) to jump into, especially for someone who doesn't speak Italian (but would like to appreciate that aspect, too)?
giovanni colpani
giovanni colpani Сарын өмнө
I am italian and i Was almost crying Just listening to you describing the Comedy. In Italy it is required to read 20 cantos in every high school, and rightly so.
archemidiate Сарын өмнө
I would actually pay to hear Michael Knowles read all 14,000 lines for us in Italian
Mike PenceTD
Mike PenceTD Сарын өмнө
Dante, Petrarca, Monteverdi, Palestrina, Gesualdo, Michelangelo, da Vinci.... italian Renaissance was/is just the best art of this planet!
Wm Narde
Wm Narde Сарын өмнө
This woman is fantastic. I could listen to her for hours. You too mk:)
Snickety Snickerdoodle
Snickety Snickerdoodle Сарын өмнө
Thank you for a wonderful and interesting discussion.
terry boyer
terry boyer Сарын өмнө
Use the force Luke!
M. G.
M. G. Сарын өмнө
This made me so happy - Dante's Diving Comedy is a beautiful depiction of earthy and divine Love and they did such a good job with this episode. Also I'm so glad he recited the beginning in Italian; I memorized that in 9th grade and still remember it. I still have my old books with Henry Longfellow's sonnets written on the front and back flaps.
Baigandine L
Baigandine L Сарын өмнө
The left seeks to end the Divine so they can just run a pure comedy.
Burning Napalm
Burning Napalm Сарын өмнө
Congratulations for your italian! That was very good
N Z Сарын өмнө
Catherine and yourself were absolutely enthralling in your short journey through Dantes Divine Comedy. I understood this masterpiece to have been created for the following reasons, 1) To create a most perfect and beautiful language ( Italian)able to communicate profound conceptions regarding Man , Nature and God. The vulgate was not cohesive and beautiful but this new and improved version was as close as you can get. 2 ) In the process imparting all of the extent knowledge and wisdom to his countrymen so as to create a “Rennacimento”. 3) Lead us all to the triune. God. Please pardon my Italian spelling.
CODandponies Сарын өмнө
How many daily wire tumblers do I have to buy before I can get Michael Knowles to read a canto in Italian? Sounded so good
Amy Peacock
Amy Peacock Сарын өмнө
Can you recommend a version of the Divine Comedy? I tried finding the one Michael is holding up but no luck on Amazon or Barnes & Noble.
Sara Polis
Sara Polis 22 өдрийн өмнө
I found them on Amazon The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri: Volume 1: Inferno Purgatorio: The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri, Vol. 2 The Divine Comedy of Dante Alighieri: Volume 3: Paradiso
Cody Nunez
Cody Nunez Сарын өмнө
Wow perfect timing I decided earlier this month to read Inferno.
Finty 07
Finty 07 Сарын өмнө
Hey, I'd would just like to say I'd be overjoyed if you guys did the lord of the rings next episode.
Andre Moreno
Andre Moreno Сарын өмнө
Michael Knowles is the real like Ted from how I met your mother.
Akseli Makkonen
Akseli Makkonen Сарын өмнө
Dan Brown's readers have heard about Divine Comedy and Dante from his Inferno.
Dr. Phil
Dr. Phil Сарын өмнө
It would be amazing if you got Donald Trump on the book club.
Cynthia Clampitt
Cynthia Clampitt Сарын өмнө
As soon as you began talking about Dante, I thought of Milton -- because he, too, was a great poet who was sidelined for being on the wrong side of politics. While I prefer Paradise Lost to Inferno, I do admire Dante, and I very much enjoyed your enthusiastic discussion. As for what Adam spoke in the Garden, my immediate response was, "Old Solar, of course." (A reference that only makes sense if you've read C.S. Lewis's space trilogy.) But another great program. I'm a writer and educator, and aside from loving your point of view, I also appreciate your promotion of reading.
Rod Rebman
Rod Rebman Сарын өмнө
Well hell, I didn't need to do anything this winter....
Hunter McCaskill
Hunter McCaskill Сарын өмнө
So, opening with an ad for Thinkr is great and all, but this is important: Do they have "Reasons to Vote for Democrats"? It's by this guy - he kind of keeps to himself so you may not know him - but his name is Michael Knowles It's a great read, and if they don't have it on Thinkr then I just don't know *what* to thinkr!
Christopher Knuffke
Christopher Knuffke Сарын өмнө
Virgil. . . Limbo ! 😄
Christopher Knuffke
Christopher Knuffke Сарын өмнө
. . .and St. Bernard !
bonez345 Сарын өмнө
I didn’t know it was Redhead Bae Tuesday
Christopher Knuffke
Christopher Knuffke Сарын өмнө
Beatrice relates especially to Dante's theory & poetry of courtly love. . .
Christopher Knuffke
Christopher Knuffke Сарын өмнө
Beatrice: see La Vita Nova !
Christopher Knuffke
Christopher Knuffke Сарын өмнө
Into to the Divine Comedy: La Vita Nuova. . .
Maria Smith
Maria Smith Сарын өмнө
The Divine Comedy is a masterpiece! Mille grazie, Michael Knowles & Catherine Illingworth for a wonderful segment on this great work. Kudos!
Medved Wanders
Medved Wanders Сарын өмнө
And this is the problem with the Catholic teaching on the subject of purgatory, where you can earn your salvation. Here is what the Bible says on the subject: Eph2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [h]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Danielle Smoker
Danielle Smoker Сарын өмнө
Yes, I agree with you that Dantes philosophy is flawed. However, it is still a great read and worth studying.
R.A. Dalton
R.A. Dalton Сарын өмнө
Atlas Shrugged Atlas Shrugged Atlas Shrugged......
EyeLean5280 Сарын өмнө
David Cockayne
David Cockayne Сарын өмнө
Physician heal thyself, I reckon - show me the right-wing propaganda in this video. PS: Might I recommend using that big key to the left of your keyboard? Using all-caps does not enhance your credibility, academic, intellectual or otherwise.
Mark Сарын өмнө
I have a serious question for aficionados of early literature: Have there been any prose translations into English of Dante's Divine Comedy, Homer's Odyssey, or Virgil's Aeneid? Not to scandalized anyone, but I have a hard time reading short, unrhymed lines while simultaneously trying to maintain an understanding of the tale. Since a translation is not as the work was intended to be read in the first place, anyway, prose translations of these, from prior to 1900 (in order to get at least some flavor of an earlier style) if they exist, would fulfill a long quest of mine. Thank you for any help.
David Cockayne
David Cockayne Сарын өмнө
I have an alternative suggestion. There is a certain multi-trillion dollar organisation that sells audio versions of most of the great classics. Since poetry is meant to be heard, I always find audio versions most plalatable.
M RG Сарын өмнө
Gee maybe there is hope for me in purgatory.
Putin's Puppet
Putin's Puppet Сарын өмнө
My favorite phrase from Paradiso is "That sun which first warmed my breast with love had discovered to me, through proof and refutation, fair truth's sweet aspect, and I moved my head, but not higher than need for speech, to find myself corrected and assured." I used that phrase in an art show I had in 1997. Credit duly given to Dante and also the translator John Sinclair. It's so nice to hear you talk about this amazing book. Also another great book is Vita Nuova, which I learned about from the book The Body of Beatrice.
Daniel Guthrie
Daniel Guthrie Сарын өмнө
I recommend choosing a recent translation. I tried a 19th century translation because it was free. I might as well have tried the original.
Peace Frog
Peace Frog Сарын өмнө
Which translation is best?
Juan Manuel Tinoco
Juan Manuel Tinoco Сарын өмнө
Great review with an inspiring Beatrice ✨
Adam Banks
Adam Banks Сарын өмнө
As a protestant, I am just trying to figure out where Dante got all this stuff from. 😅 Purgatory was invented by Pope Benedict XVI
David Cockayne
David Cockayne Сарын өмнө
I'm fairly sure you won't find The Divine Comedy in science, or metaphysics, section of the library: it's poetry. A bit like Genesis 1, eh?
Mark's List
Mark's List Сарын өмнө
I learned a lot. Thank you.
Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green Сарын өмнө
Purgatory is extra-biblical, wishful thinking 💭. A work-based doctrine.
Snickety Snickerdoodle
Snickety Snickerdoodle Сарын өмнө
Purgatory has more biblical basis than the Protestant doctrine of sola scriptura.
Ruben Hernandez
Ruben Hernandez Сарын өмнө
I agree, but either way, the poetry is beautiful and you should still take the time to read it books
Fred McIntyre
Fred McIntyre Сарын өмнө
Jay Сарын өмнө
Michael, you should read it on your channel over the course of a few weeks!
Pet Wifey, Voice of Reason
Pet Wifey, Voice of Reason Сарын өмнө
Absolutely fantastic review of the Divine Comedy. This makes me want to read it. Now, do the Satyricon. Pwease?
Marc Hess
Marc Hess Сарын өмнө
I read the ciriardi translation of inferno as a teen after becoming interested when I read the niven/pournelle novel of the same name, a 20th century version.
Beatrice Сарын өмнө
This was amazing! ❤️
The Messenger
The Messenger Сарын өмнө
This is the most important post you will ever read. Every one of us has broken God’s moral law, the Ten Commandments. We’ve lied, we’ve stolen, we’ve sinned sexually, and we’ve taken God’s name in vain; which makes us liars, thieves, fornicators and blasphemers. James 2 : 10 also states that breaking even just one commandment makes us guilty of breaking them all. The problem is, we can never ‘outweigh’ our sin with good deeds because The Creator is perfect in Holiness, meaning his standard is beyond our reach. He is also perfect in Justice, meaning, EVERY sin will be brought to light, and punished. The punishment for our sin is death, and Hell; a place of Eternal Fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Fortunately God is also perfect in Love, so 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ left his throne in heaven and came to this earth. While here, he lived a perfectly righteous life, only to take the punishment that We deserved. Our sinless creator became Our sin, and endured a gruesome death on a cross for our sake. Right before he died, he said ‘it is finished’.. meaning, the debt for our sins has been paid in full. And on the third day, he conquered death and rose from the grave. So now, we can go free from the wrath of God’s judgement not by earning it, but rather, as a free gift of grace; Except a gift can either be accepted or rejected..So this is what you must do in response; Humbly admit to God that you have sinned against him, and through gratitude in the sacrifice of his son, repent (turn away) from your old way of life. Then, confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, your savior, and the ruler of your life from this moment forward (Romans 10:9). Do these things, and you will be saved. If you sincerely do so, God will grant you a new heart which no longer finds comfort in sin. Also, he will grant you eternal life in his presence; The greatest pleasure on earth doesn’t even come close to what God has in store for believers in the afterlife. You’ve been informed; Now the choice is yours. What you do with this information will determine where you spend ETERNITY, meaning, this is the single most Critical decision you will EVER make; And all of us here, whether believer or atheist, know deep down that every last word here is true. Jesus Christ is awaiting YOU this very moment; don’t even think about sleeping tonight until you surrender your life to him, because your tomorrow isn’t guaranteed.. And as it is written (Hebrews 9 : 27); ‘It is appointed unto man ONCE to die, but after this, THE JUDGMENT’. All glory, honor and praise to Lord Jesus Christ.
David Busby
David Busby Сарын өмнө
Who is this brilliant young lady? Love this.
B Jay
B Jay Сарын өмнө
This brought more meaning to what at times was a difficult read for me. I will try to find a friend as you suggested. Thank you
Stranger Сарын өмнө
And you know what? The english version is NOTHING compared to the original version.
Sara Polis
Sara Polis 22 өдрийн өмнө
Bob Salter
Bob Salter Сарын өмнө
It seems there is a fine line between insight, imagination and/or revelation. You have provided a brief, but profound overview of this epic poem. Thank you.
Exil Bayer
Exil Bayer Сарын өмнө
Little note, I played the video game Dante’s Inferno on Xbox360 and its awesome. So I read the Books after that. As a Teen, you are more into games than books. Its changed over the years.
Jay one
Jay one Сарын өмнө
This was the most focused bookclub you have done yet, bravo, loved it. Catherine Illingworth is a treasure! I would love to see an in depth discussion about the Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars books in this age of mars discovery
Lawr 57
Lawr 57 Сарын өмнө
Is DANTE the originator of the idea of "IRONIC PUNISHMENT" in Hell?
Lawr 57
Lawr 57 Сарын өмнө
@Danielle Smoker Haha, this'll get ya... Just had family from out of town this past week. One of 'em had a book called "SAINT'S WHO'VE SEEN HELL", or maybe "Saint's Visions Of Hell". (The title was SOMETHING like that.). Now I wish I'd have taken a look at it at the time.
Danielle Smoker
Danielle Smoker Сарын өмнө
Thats pretty cool. I mean you do have to wonder whether it was all his imagination or some sort of vision. I'm not sure where I land on that, but it's something to think about.
Lawr 57
Lawr 57 Сарын өмнө
@Danielle Smoker COOL, thanks! I always suspected it might be the case with ironic punishments. Never thought to do any ACTUAL research in the matter. I love how the idea is used in popular culture today. Hey... If I was God... that's how I'D set things up! Don't have an informed opinion on the other point you made. I DO know there were at least a few screwballs in Dante's time who believed he ACTUALLY made the journey he wrote about. Wish I could remember the source to give you about it.
Danielle Smoker
Danielle Smoker Сарын өмнө
@Lawr 57 This actually supported by the literary community. As you probably know, in modern pop culture, irony in hell is common. However, many scholars agree that this idea originated in Dantes inferno. Some also suggest that Dante was one of the first scholars to popularize purgatory among Catholics.
Lawr 57
Lawr 57 Сарын өмнө
@Danielle Smoker Is that just an opinion that we agree on, or is there some literary scholarship that supports us?
alg11297 Сарын өмнө
Hey Mike, why don't you try the Prologue to the Canturbury Tales in old English? 11th grade torture.
alg11297 Сарын өмнө
I was told Dante saw Beatrice only once in his life and then idolized her. She is considered the first muse in literature.
S Gerald M
S Gerald M Сарын өмнө
"Abandon all hope ye Democrats who enter here"
Just Jade Beauty
Just Jade Beauty Сарын өмнө
Very excited to watch this!
Billace 90
Billace 90 Сарын өмнө
Lasciate ogne speranza voi ch’entrate....
Ravana Brahma Rakshas
Ravana Brahma Rakshas Сарын өмнө
Read Holy Vegan Earth. It will help you survive, if you can comprehend it. Moses
Robert Paffile
Robert Paffile Сарын өмнө
Try to knock this out every couple of years. Outside of the Bible, this is the book...
Michael Lamont
Michael Lamont Сарын өмнө
If I could read, I would Read this! Maybe one day when I can get The audio book.
Sagar Saxena
Sagar Saxena Сарын өмнө
I learned a lot. Thanks for the fantastic discussion. But since you claimed that this is the greatest piece of literature/art ever. I would highly,highly recommend that you check out "Mahabharat". The original text is in Sanskrit so that maybe a handicap but you can read the translated versions which are available by the dozen. Bibek Debroy's 10 volume translation is one of the best. The whole text juggles between more than 200 characters,all of them well chalked out,in a coherent manner and completely written in prose. The famous "Bhagvad Gita" is a part of this text so there is enough and more philosophy too.
IGIprimigenia 29 өдрийн өмнө
Did you read the divine comedy?
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